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Originally Posted by ArtVandelay!
Hi guys,
2 hours ago i got into a an argument with a friend of mine which got pretty heated and basically ended the game.
This is unfortunate. May have just sped up the inevitable, 5 handed and biggest stuck guy gets felted... might have ended soon anyway.
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Originally Posted by ArtVandelay!
The river pairs the Jack - i bet 6.80€ and he shoves for 11.5€ more.
i announce my hand and tell him "ah man i have the jack i dont think i can lay this down" and call.
He replies "yeah you win" and wants to muck his cards.
then i go "i'd much like to see your hands" (in german: ich würde schon gerne deine Hand sehen).
He responds "are you serious?" and proceeds to reveal his cards showing a busted flushdraw.
Why ask?
So many bad things could happen. What if he misread his hand and now shows up with a winner?
Curious? Maybe on the next hand you speculate on his hand, lament his tough luck that he ran into your rivered trips. Don't needle. Maybe something like "Did you have pocket tens? If I didn't catch that river jack, I might have folded". Insert whatever hand/range.
Want to know his range?
That he can bluff a busted draw? Now you know, and maybe he won't show you the busted draws again.
That he slowplays big pairs? Probably won't do that as often.
Congrats, you've encouraged someone to improve their play against you.
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Originally Posted by ArtVandelay!
To my understanding the poker etiquette goes as follows that when you bet the river and get a call and you show the winning hand it is bad mannered to ask for the caller to show the hand he called with but when the opponent bets or raises and you are the caller and he mucks you can just let it slide (which i normally do) but it's perfectly fine to ask him to show his hand down.
now i have 2 questions
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Was i right with my assumption that in the poker community there's a general consent that it's bad mannered to ask the caller to show his cards but it's ok to ask the better/raiser (even though he already stated he lost)
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Do you think that if a person thinks it's accepted in a certain spot to request to see the losing hand that it's still a dick move to do so because it should be common sense that you just dont do that
Yes, it's bad manners to ask to see a conceded hand. Almost regardless of the circumstance, it's a dick move.