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12-07-2011 , 09:04 AM
So I'm a member of a local Pool team and we play poker every Monday inbetween Pool matches (game never stops). Had a new player come down this Monday, really slowing the game down etc playing like a complete donkey, obv doesn't have a clue what he is doing, which ofc is great for future Monday nights. Game is very crazy sometimes.

Had the worst night of poker beats I ve ever taken in one night of Live poker.

NL Holdem £50 buy in.

blinds 50p/.50p

Here are the stand out hands from the night, 4 hours or so of slowish Live poker.

First hand

Me, A3 Villain 1, 83 Villain 2, AK

Flop 10 3 2 rainbow.

Villain 1 and 2 are way short stacked and we get 3 way all in on flop.

Me 70% fav, river hits K obv

No big deal **** happens.

Hand 2

Me 8d 6d

Villain Ac 7d (same villain as hand 1 from like 10 mins previously)

Board

Ad 10d 10c 3d

Get it all in on turn with 2 full stacks, pot £100 ish

River As ( kinda annoyed now, Villain has 4 outs vs my turned flush)

Hand 3

5 players call shortstacked Villians raise.

Flop A J 5 rainbow. Checks to Villain who shoves trying to steal pot with K 9 off. I call with A7.

Turn Q

River 10

LOL I'm getting mad now. Villain hits runner runner 3%.

Hand 4

I raise with 4c2c and get 2 callers.

Flop 6c 5c Qs

Perfect I think, and raise. Villain from hands 1 and 2 calls.

Turn Js

I raise and get re raised by Villain, I call.

River Kc

Great! Villain shoves and I insta call, Villain shows Ac Jc.

Hand 5

Me KK vs New Player Villain J 5 off

Flop J 5 3

Stack off ofc. The annoying thing here is that Villain has lost 3 buyins bluffing with complete air. He clearly doesn't know wtf he is doing, plays make no sense etc.

I'm sitting stewing now wondering whether or not to rebuy so I buy in for double and try to win some back.

Hand 6 The bad one.

Me AK vs New Player Donk who makes one of his no sense plays like I was referring to earlier. Donk has 7 4 suited.

Flop A 10 7

I raise, Donk Villain calls.

Turn 6

Villain donk bets a pot sized bet so I just shove all in, and he "insta calls" with 7 4 I'm like wtf.

River 4 Obviously! I chuck deck across the Pool table.

Never had such a sick night of Liveaments ever before. Lost like £350 but could have been £350 up.
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12-07-2011 , 09:36 AM
Bad beats suck, but they happen. Everyone has a night where it seems like everyone else draws out on them and nothing holds up/gets there for them.

Granted, at least half of the hands you described, I wouldn't have been involved in the pot at all with your cards, but that's neither here nor there other than a suggestion to look at your starting range and decide if hoping the bink just the right card is worth the annoyances of these situations.
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12-07-2011 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mariettabull
Bad beats suck, but they happen. Everyone has a night where it seems like everyone else draws out on them and nothing holds up/gets there for them.

Granted, at least half of the hands you described, I wouldn't have been involved in the pot at all with your cards, but that's neither here nor there other than a suggestion to look at your starting range and decide if hoping the bink just the right card is worth the annoyances of these situations.
This...
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12-07-2011 , 02:08 PM
BBV? You played the first 4 hands terribly.
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12-07-2011 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by avaholic
BBV? You played the first 4 hands terribly.
I would move it, but I'll leave it here out of kindness.
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12-07-2011 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mariettabull
Bad beats suck, but they happen. Everyone has a night where it seems like everyone else draws out on them and nothing holds up/gets there for them.

Granted, at least half of the hands you described, I wouldn't have been involved in the pot at all with your cards, but that's neither here nor there other than a suggestion to look at your starting range and decide if hoping the bink just the right card is worth the annoyances of these situations.
My starting range is way different when playing Online or in a Casino. These weekly Monday night games are just for fun really although we keep record of profit/loss with me being the biggest winner out of 10 or so players over a few months.

Just never been brutalised so bad in a session of poker, especially with not so few hands being played.
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12-07-2011 , 04:53 PM
I remember a smart guy saying "There is always more potential for profit in games where your opponents make frequent and costly errors." I won't say which book, but it's published from this very site.

That's all I'm sayin'. Continue...
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12-07-2011 , 06:28 PM
Whilst bad beats suck, I welcome them (not with open arms though). It gives the fish positive reinforcement that their bad plays are "profitable". Next time, you won't lose when you're 70%, 97%, or a big favorite. Say "Nice Hand" or "I had a bad feeling about that one" and move on. Make good plays and win long term.

PS. Stop raising with 24s expecting your flush to be good. I found that one out the hard way a few weeks ago when the Jets lost to the Tebows.

I straddled. My buddy, let's call him Wesrwood, raised and everyone called in front of me, so I called with 24s. I flop a flush. We get it all in on the flop. We both admit to having a flush and neither of us want to turn our hand over. I know I'm beat; he thought he was beat with his 35s. Luckily for me, it went runner-runner higher flush. Chop it up.
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12-07-2011 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Precept2
My buddy, let's call him Wesrwood, raised...
LMAO
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12-07-2011 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mariettabull
Bad beats suck, but they happen. Everyone has a night where it seems like everyone else draws out on them and nothing holds up/gets there for them.

Granted, at least half of the hands you described, I wouldn't have been involved in the pot at all with your cards, but that's neither here nor there other than a suggestion to look at your starting range and decide if hoping the bink just the right card is worth the annoyances of these situations.
This. I wouldn t of played some of the hands either.

First hand

Me, A3 Villain 1, XX Villain 2, XX

Flop 10 3 2 rainbow.

Villain 1 and 2 are way short stacked and we get 3 way all in on flop.


How do you get all in on a flop like this?
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12-07-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SooperFish24
we keep record of profit/loss
This is the quickest way to kill a game.

I know you say it's "just for fun". If you want to continue to play this fun game, find a way to stop the tracking.

I guarantee the people at the bottom of the list will stop playing sooner with the tracking than they would have without.
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12-07-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

Here are the stand out hands from the night, 4 hours or so of slowish Live poker.

First hand

Me, A3 Villain 1, 83 Villain 2, AK ????

Flop 10 3 2 rainbow.

Villain 1 and 2 are way short stacked and we get 3 way all in on flop.??????????

Me 70% fav, river hits K obv

No big deal **** happens.

Hand 2

Me 8d 6d ??

Villain Ac 7d (same villain as hand 1 from like 10 mins previously)

Board

Ad 10d 10c 3d

Get it all in on turn with 2 full stacks, pot £100 ish
River As ( kinda annoyed now, Villain has 4 outs vs my turned flush)

Hand 3

5 players call shortstacked Villians raise.

Flop A J 5 rainbow. Checks to Villain who shoves trying to steal pot with K 9??? off. I call with A7.

Turn Q

River 10

LOL I'm getting mad now. Villain hits runner runner 3%.

Hand 4

I raise with 4c2c and get 2 callers.??????????

Flop 6c 5c Qs

Perfect I think, and raise. Villain from hands 1 and 2 calls.

Turn Js

I raise and get re raised by Villain, I call.???????

River Kc

Great! Villain shoves and I insta call, Villain shows Ac Jc.

Hand 5

Me KK vs New Player Villain J 5 off

Flop J 5 3

Stack off ofc. The annoying thing here is that Villain has lost 3 buyins bluffing with complete air. He clearly doesn't know wtf he is doing, plays make no sense etc.

I'm sitting stewing now wondering whether or not to rebuy so I buy in for double and try to win some back.

Hand 6 The bad one.

Me AK vs New Player Donk who makes one of his no sense plays like I was referring to earlier. Donk has 7 4 suited.

Flop A 10 7

I raise, Donk Villain calls.

Turn 6

Villain donk bets a pot sized bet so I just shove all in, and he "insta calls" with 7 4 I'm like wtf.

River 4 Obviously! I chuck deck across the Pool table.

Never had such a sick night of Liveaments ever before. Lost like £350 but could have been £350 up.
Easy fixed don't play **** preflop hands just coz there are fish in the pot, wait for better hands and punish them.
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12-07-2011 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by horny goat weed
Easy fixed don't play **** preflop hands just coz there are fish in the pot, wait for better hands and punish them.
Well, if this is gonna devolve into a strat thread...

You should play lots of pots with bad players, but you should be good enough to not stack off with the worst of it.

I mean, you're kind of asking for it. Listen to yourself: you stacked off with second pair (obv, destined to be 4th pair), a small flush on paired board, TPNK, and the worst flush possible. Then, when you admit you were steaming and thinking about walking away, you double rebought and tilted off the rest of it. Hand #5 is the only one that comes close to BBV; the rest is poor play. IMO.
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12-07-2011 , 11:05 PM
Agreed knowing when to fold is huge, Did you go on tilt?

I feel like everyone in the room knew you were on tilt after hand 2
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12-07-2011 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dugthefish
Well, if this is gonna devolve into a strat thread...

You should play lots of pots with bad players, but you should be good enough to not stack off with the worst of it.

I mean, you're kind of asking for it. Listen to yourself: you stacked off with second pair (obv, destined to be 4th pair), a small flush on paired board, TPNK, and the worst flush possible. Then, when you admit you were steaming and thinking about walking away, you double rebought and tilted off the rest of it. Hand #5 is the only one that comes close to BBV; the rest is poor play. IMO.
I take back what I said ^^ is better
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12-08-2011 , 12:55 AM
You should play more pots, but these hand selections are TERRRIBLE. low, moderately connected cards are maybe something to use (very situation dependent) to be aggressive against nits, where your strategy is to take the pot away from them when they miss or get scared. The occasional 2pr+ is merely an emergency backup plan.

Against calling stations, you'll need a hand that wins at showdown. Playing hit-to-win with shortstacks and garbage starting cards is a recipe for frustration.
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12-10-2011 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tjmj90
Agreed knowing when to fold is huge, Did you go on tilt?

I feel like everyone in the room knew you were on tilt after hand 2
Knowing when to fold is critical. If you catch yourself tilting, it's also good to know when to walk away (or even run) and take a break.
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12-10-2011 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gedanken
You should play more pots, but these hand selections are TERRRIBLE. low, moderately connected cards are maybe something to use (very situation dependent) to be aggressive against nits, where your strategy is to take the pot away from them when they miss or get scared. The occasional 2pr+ is merely an emergency backup plan.

Against calling stations, you'll need a hand that wins at showdown. Playing hit-to-win with shortstacks and garbage starting cards is a recipe for frustration.
Best advice in this thread, IMO, and a lesson I have learned the hard way. You have zero fold equity against a station - especially one who is shortstacked - so be patient and pound them when you get a hand.
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12-11-2011 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SooperFish24
Hand 6 The bad one.

Me AK vs New Player Donk who makes one of his no sense plays like I was referring to earlier. Donk has 7 4 suited.

Flop A 10 7

I raise, Donk Villain calls.

Turn 6

Villain donk bets a pot sized bet so I just shove all in, and he "insta calls" with 7 4 I'm like wtf.

River 4 Obviously! .
Well, duhhhhhh! The Power of 4, of course. You were behind the whole time, you just didn't know it.
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12-13-2011 , 06:34 AM
Update.

Won basically all the money I lost the previous Monday. Hit flops like you wouldn't believe. Great night cleaned everyone out except 1 guy. KK held up for a change. Floped QQK when I held KQ vs another guys Q 10. Raised blind and hit higher 2 pair than Villain, floped 3 straights. Ran hot hot hot, with no significant bad beats.

For all the people saying play better pre flop hands etc you really have to be there and know the players before you can start criticizing what hands to play with. Besides it is a fun action game that we play not be be taken too seriously. If everyone has called a 3bb raise is it not right to call with A rag or 34 off etc.

Love Monday night Poker again for at least a week.

Chelsea beat Man City aswell to complete a nice fussball Coupon.
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12-13-2011 , 11:41 AM
Is A rag ever going to be able to show up at showdown in a 6 way pot?...... Not Likely
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12-13-2011 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SooperFish24
For all the people saying play better pre flop hands etc you really have to be there and know the players before you can start criticizing what hands to play with. Besides it is a fun action game that we play not be be taken too seriously. If everyone has called a 3bb raise is it not right to call with A rag or 34 off etc.
You speak as if this game is some anomaly, unique in the poker world. You really think we're all playing 500BB deep games using level 5 and 6 thinking?

Your type of game is VERY common. We've all been there.

If you don't take it too seriously, then why the frustration and anger last week? It's a serious game when you get unlucky, but a fun game when you get lucky?
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12-13-2011 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
You speak as if this game is some anomaly, unique in the poker world. You really think we're all playing 500BB deep games using level 5 and 6 thinking?

Your type of game is VERY common. We've all been there.

If you don't take it too seriously, then why the frustration and anger last week? It's a serious game when you get unlucky, but a fun game when you get lucky?
Stated perfectly. Just because you go on a heater, it doesn't mean that you are playing correct poker. The above example where the OP flopped Kings full versus Queens full and trips is merely a dream scenario.
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