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07-02-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Voovanzi
@Rapini -- Concerning the Great Lakes comments, I guess it's kinda like the hot, outta your league, girlfriend. You even take her for granted after awhile.
They do have a very solid lineup, with outstanding seasonals.
Forgot about the seasonals! Their Christmas Ale might be super-hyped, but it absolutely lives up to it.
07-02-2014 , 09:44 PM
I can't get Great Lakes down here, but I recall having a couple on my last trip to the Cincinnati area and enjoying them. I can't remember which ones specifically, though.

I really need to start using that beer tasting app that sits on my phone and gathers dust...
07-02-2014 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Voovanzi
Actually, I will be near Myrtle Beach, but was thinking I should be able to find some of those you mentioned.

@Rapini -- Concerning the Great Lakes comments, I guess it's kinda like the hot, outta your league, girlfriend. You even take her for granted after awhile.
They do have a very solid lineup, with outstanding seasonals.
It's possible, at a specialty store.

And yes, their Christmas Ale is exceptional. My daughter gave me a selection of beers for Christmas, and it included a six pack of that one.
07-02-2014 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
I'm not much of an outdoorsman, but sounds like it might still be worth checking out sometime. Thanks!
You're welcome.

And I forgot that Oskar Blues also opened a brewery in the Asheville area, as well as Green Man. And that is the last of my Chamber of Commerce boosterism...I hope.
07-05-2014 , 08:21 PM
I had an awful case of the runbad at DBKC Thursday night - it was easily my worst session of the year. Here are just a few examples:
  • AA < K7 on a king high flop (I 3-bet pre and overshoved the K-high rainbow flop, CS calls and hits trips on turn).
  • KK < AQ, AIPF for 120bb, ace on turn LDO.
  • Ran up against six sets with TP/overpair/2P four times and AK unimproved twice.

One spot of bad luck was accompanied by a questionable decision that I made. I raised in position with QTs and bingoed the KJ9r flop. C-bet gets two calls, the turn is a T, a solid, tight player leads out and we both call. River blank, older ace-chaser shoves for pot and the TAG thinks for two seconds and calls. I go into the tank; I've gotten burned calling big bets for a chop more times than I can count. I finally decide that I see AQ under the bed and fold. Both players have just the Q.

In spite of the disproportionate number of beats, I won a large four-way pot with top two that put me into the black for the one and only time all night. It was right around 1am, which is the time I had decided to leave, but I made the mistake of sticking around and playing longer while too tired to give my A game. This was a huge problem for me until recently, but I've had it well under control this year - until Thursday night. This is the aspect of the session that is more disappointing to me than any of the bad beats or lost pots.

My runbad continued over the next couple hours, combined with a good bit of tired playbad, and I went from +80bb to -180bb before finally getting the message and going home.

One awkward situation occurred. I'm playing my first hand at a new table and limp from MP with A2 (yes, I know) behind another limper. Flop comes KJ2r and he taps the table with his fingers (holding chips). I check behind the same way, then he says "$40." I tell the dealer what happened, floor gets called and rules that since I acted behind, it was a check. Turn is another two and I win a small pot against his AJ. Immediately, another guy at the table says, "I figured you had a two when you tried to make his check stand." I defended myself and told the villain in the hand that I felt bad about the awkward situation, but wasn't angleshooting and didn't feel that I'd done anything wrong.
07-05-2014 , 08:30 PM
I had extreme runbad in Vegas. Lost everything
07-05-2014 , 08:48 PM
Played for 4 hours at the homegame friday 4th of July. Ended up 1 (as in one) bb ahead. Since our game is .25-.50 that gave me an hourly of +12 1/2 cents.
07-06-2014 , 08:19 AM
Schmendr1ck, sorry for your loss.
07-06-2014 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wesrwood
I had extreme runbad in Vegas. Lost everything
Lost everything you budgeted to lose and nothing more? If so, I consider that a win.
07-06-2014 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Lost everything you budgeted to lose and nothing more? If so, I consider that a win.
I lost an extra 2 buyins at Omaha the last night. But yes I'm not mad
07-06-2014 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Schmendr1ck, sorry for your loss.
Thanks. The runbad I can take, that's just poker. It was the resurgence of my tired tilt that really bothered me.

I was in a great spot to leave. I'd reached the quitting time I set, I'd just won a huge pot that put me in the black for the first time all night, and I knew I was getting tired. Yet I chose to stay. Even if I'd won, I'd still be unhappy about that decision.
07-06-2014 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
Thanks. The runbad I can take, that's just poker. It was the resurgence of my tired tilt that really bothered me.

I was in a great spot to leave. I'd reached the quitting time I set, I'd just won a huge pot that put me in the black for the first time all night, and I knew I was getting tired. Yet I chose to stay. Even if I'd won, I'd still be unhappy about that decision.
Did you somehow feel obligated to play longer because you just won a pot?

Was/is a leak of mine stemming from home game poker where we "call our hour".

It takes some time to work out of that mindset and I still do it from time to time.

I don't actually call an hour but do feel like I'd be doing a hit and run otherwise.
07-07-2014 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by luckduck53
Did you somehow feel obligated to play longer because you just won a pot?
Not at all, I simply wasn't ready to leave yet.

Unlike my home games, I don't have a big problem with hit-and-run in the casino. Yes, it's annoying when somebody puts a bad beat on you and then racks up - that's what happened when I lost the big AA < K7 hand Thursday night. But in a casino, there's a good chance that empty seat will get filled soon. For that reason, I'd much rather have a guy hit and run than take up space folding for an hour because he's locking up the win.

As for me, I leave when I want to leave. While I don't hit-and-run intentionally, if I plan to leave at 12:00 and I win a huge pot at 11:59, I've got no problem getting up right then.
07-07-2014 , 02:28 PM
So out of curiosity, did someone else put in a requisition for the RunGoot Star Destroyer last night that caused it to desert me?

I went to one of the local underground games last night run by a friend of mine. This game plays fairly big for a 1/2 game, partially because it's a 3:1 NLHE/Omaha rotation with the Omaha rounds being a 5/10/15 button blind. After getting my Kings cracked by 6c/7c a couple of hands in the night, I went on a tear where I ran my 130BB buy-in up to to close to 450BB cracking Kings with Q/J (flopped 2 pair, he turned a better two pair, and I hit the case queen on the river), making solid c-bets, and generally running like god while playing well.

I still booked a win, casing out up about 75BB, but it's still disappointing after being up so much. But, that's what being card dead will do to you, especially when you're having to nit it up against the aggression at the table.
07-07-2014 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
Not at all, I simply wasn't ready to leave yet.
If you weren't ready to leave, you weren't ready to leave.

I mean you can still be upset at yourself for not leaving despite feeling tired, but the designated time shouldn't be a factor.

Really a time should be set as a moment to assess rather then a hard fast line to leave. Unless of course you have to leave for non game reasons (work, outing, sleep for work, etc.) then by all means leave when you said.

Otherwise run the usual checklist of things like am I tired, tilted, hungry or have the game conditions gone south.

It sounds like you did this and didn't listen to yourself. Good news is you are aware and can use this as a reminder next time.

If you didn't think you were tired in the moment, then perhaps you're being results oriented.

Either way I wouldn't give yourself too hard of a time.
07-07-2014 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mariettabull
So out of curiosity, did someone else put in a requisition for the RunGoot Star Destroyer last night that caused it to desert me?

I went to one of the local underground games last night run by a friend of mine. This game plays fairly big for a 1/2 game, partially because it's a 3:1 NLHE/Omaha rotation with the Omaha rounds being a 5/10/15 button blind. After getting my Kings cracked by 6c/7c a couple of hands in the night, I went on a tear where I ran my 130BB buy-in up to to close to 450BB cracking Kings with Q/J (flopped 2 pair, he turned a better two pair, and I hit the case queen on the river), making solid c-bets, and generally running like god while playing well.

I still booked a win, casing out up about 75BB, but it's still disappointing after being up so much. But, that's what being card dead will do to you, especially when you're having to nit it up against the aggression at the table.
For the omaha portion, what does it mean when a 1/2 game has a 5/10/15 button blind? I think in standard notation that would mean that there's a small blind of 5, a big blind of 10, and a button blind of 15, but that wouldn't make sense for a 1/2 game. And is the omaha portion limit, pot-limit or no-limit?
07-07-2014 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
For the omaha portion, what does it mean when a 1/2 game has a 5/10/15 button blind? I think in standard notation that would mean that there's a small blind of 5, a big blind of 10, and a button blind of 15, but that wouldn't make sense for a 1/2 game. And is the omaha portion limit, pot-limit or no-limit?
Here's hopefully a better explanation:

NLHE: 1/2 using an unlimited Mississippi Straddle (most I've seen is generally $5-7 in the straddle).

PLO (button picks Hi or Hi/Lo): No blinds. Instead, there is a single forced bet on the button of either $5, $10, or $15, picked by the button before cards are dealt. $1 chips (except in increments of $5) do not play during an Omaha rotation.
07-07-2014 , 09:05 PM
Ah-ha! Thanks for the clarification. That game sounds amazing.
07-07-2014 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Ah-ha! Thanks for the clarification. That game sounds amazing.
It's a very juicy game, but it can be a little bankroll straining at times.
07-07-2014 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by luckduck53
If you weren't ready to leave, you weren't ready to leave.

I mean you can still be upset at yourself for not leaving despite feeling tired, but the designated time shouldn't be a factor.

Really a time should be set as a moment to assess rather then a hard fast line to leave. Unless of course you have to leave for non game reasons (work, outing, sleep for work, etc.) then by all means leave when you said.

Otherwise run the usual checklist of things like am I tired, tilted, hungry or have the game conditions gone south.
When I play in Daytona, it's almost always on Friday night. After I work all day, then drive an hour to get there, I'm usually capable of playing my A game for 5-6 hours before I start getting tired. On top of that, the HHJs drop significantly at 1:00 AM, so many of the fishy jackpot chasers leave. Tables break, and the player pool that sticks around for 2/5 is tougher on average.

So generally, it's a good idea for me to head home around that time. I'm usually still capable of not playing like a monkey for a while longer, but I've found that I'm consistently more profitable when I leave at the end of the big HHJ period.

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Originally Posted by luckduck53
It sounds like you did this and didn't listen to yourself. Good news is you are aware and can use this as a reminder next time.

If you didn't think you were tired in the moment, then perhaps you're being results oriented.

Either way I wouldn't give yourself too hard of a time.
I'm pretty much done beating up on myself at this point.
07-08-2014 , 07:26 AM
First home game last night since comming back from Vegas.

Obviously Vegas dominated the table conversation (the few players who didn't go with us had to listen in envy )

Up a buy-in

So funny playing for about a quarter of the stakes after playing the "High Stakes" $1/$2 for 2 weeks
07-08-2014 , 02:18 PM
I played like crap last night. I was playing on very little sleep, and it showed.

I somehow managed to get my entire stack in early against two players in PLO preflop with QQA2. I got in a raising war with what turned out to be something like KT64 (huh?). The player who looked most worried to me had AAxx. I thought AAxx would fold from my read, but how could he? No one hit the board. AA wins almost 240BBs. But for me, rebuy!

Later, again in Omaha, I made the nut low on the turn with two gut-shot straight draws, managed to get my entire stack in on the turn, and was informed we were playing high only! Ha! I pushed the Irish button and hit my straight on the river and took a huge pot, not proud, but leaving me in the black maybe 60BB. Hee-haw!

I played a little smarter and got a little luckier until the last hand in PLO8. It was PLO8 for sure, this time! Everyone kept reminding me. I somehow could not let go of the second high set and was beat by top set, with no low. His bets screamed he had the nuts and wanted to charge the draws, which all got there potentially, yet I called his huge river bet. Hee-haw again.

Ended up down 32 BB, but it could have been much, much worse.

Maybe I'll give bowling a try...
07-08-2014 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by eneely
I played like crap last night. I was playing on very little sleep, and it showed.

I somehow managed to get my entire stack in early against two players in PLO preflop with QQA2. I got in a raising war with what turned out to be something like KT64 (huh?). The player who looked most worried to me had AAxx. I thought AAxx would fold from my read, but how could he? No one hit the board. AA wins almost 240BBs.
I don't buy any of your post after the "I played like crap" part. If I can't get AA to win a pot in NLHE, how can AAxx possibly win a three-way pot in PLO? I don't want to call you a liar, sir, but you are a liar.

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Originally Posted by eneely
Maybe I'll give bowling a try...
07-08-2014 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
I don't buy any of your post after the "I played like crap" part. If I can't get AA to win a pot in NLHE, how can AAxx possibly win a three-way pot in PLO? I don't want to call you a liar, sir, but you are a liar.
If you'd stop doing the patented eneely 'Jump and a chug a beer' routine every time you get aces, maybe people would stop sticking around trying to crack them....
07-08-2014 , 06:50 PM
At least this time I was trying to rep aces.

But I know what you mean. How can those cards win? Now that I remember it better, the flop was AKx. No flush draws, the dude flops a set. We are both dead or dying. But he didn't need the ace.

The K high all-in player made some long speech about 65% to 55% and all his pot odds and such. Still, he flopped a K, and I was in last place. Not that that matters.

      
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