July 2012 Open Thread - Home Poker Games

**eneely** · 07-01-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Palimax

I almost made this a new thread, but...

A sub-forum that's build related? Tables, rooms, etc.

I'm a hierarchical organization freak. Thoughts?

It'd give us a chance to do more than tell people to go to SK or other forums.

Just throwing it out there after asking someone a MAME question in the "scene" thread.

It seems to me that threads on table builds and the like belong right here, right now.

mariettabull · 07-01-2012, 02:50 PM

The HP Rungoot did put in an appearance last night for me, as I cashed out up about 100 BB. Given how generally sedate the table was, it put me as the big winner for the evening. There were no huge scoop pots, but I did make one huge hero call with the 2nd nut low to grab half of a PLO8 hand, while the other two in the hand split the high.

I was all excited yesterday as I had enough definite RSVPs to completely fill my table and enough maybes to give us some solid alternates to fill in as needed. This got deflated when 1/3 of my definites no showed on me, but we still ended up 7 handed for most of the night. Having been raised to be polite, it annoys me to no end when someone RSVPs and then doesn't even have the courtesy to let me know they won't be showing.

Of course, I had two people ping me via email asking about the game after I'd already stopped checking email, but such is life. I'll be passing out my cell number so they can ping me in the future.

Given the turn out and the length of the action (we ran from about 8PM to 4AM, which some brief breaks, including me having to handle a network change at 2AM), I may start looking at trying to do this game twice a month on Saturday night. I also got a line last night on a good Omaha game for Sunday nights that may enter my rotation (wife acquiescence pending).

philthy415 · 07-01-2012, 03:25 PM

How do you get the HP rungoot shipped your way?? Can I put my name on the list?

Last Saturday(I know, I know it's June) .25/.50 NLHE. Up and down night for me, won a all in early with QQ vs A10, had a bad run of cards, got bluffed out of a pot where I would have tripled up. I was about even with $60ish stack when this hand came up:
Sitting in MP1 at a full table I look down and see 44. Folds around to the player on my right who limps. I pop it to 8x, with 5x-8x being the table standard. It folds around to the BB who asks the table in a joking manner if I'm any good as a player, thinks for a min and calls. The limper folds.
The BB has been complaining all night about losing pots and a bad run of cards, having scooped only two pots and we're about 5 hrs into a 6 hr session.
A big PP here would have 3 bet pre so a call is a smallish PP, SCs, or two Broadway cards I figure. Flop comes QJ7 rainbow. If my read is right then QJ is in a huge part of his range since he's been playing tight. He takes 30 secs, deliberately looking at me and checks. I'm thinking QJ that he wants to slowplay.
I check behind. Turn card:Bingo! Another 4. He leads for $3 into a $9 pot. Without hesitation I grab a stack of ones and toss it in the pot. He takes the bait and goes all in! Of course I call and he tables QJ.

Ended the night up 30 BBs so all told not a bad night

mariettabull · 07-01-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by philthy415

How do you get the HP rungoot shipped your way?? Can I put my name on the list?

I think the standard is ask, and then stand on the corner hoping it comes into port. The Rungoot is a fickle b*tch, but when she shows up, it's happy thing. Unless, of course, you're like me who tends to try and torpedo her when she's coming into the dock.

**eneely** · 07-01-2012, 03:36 PM

It seems like every open thread should have one photo of the USS HP Rungoot. Anyone with a URL handy?

philthy415 · 07-01-2012, 03:43 PM

San Francisco is a port city. She can dock here anytime. We'll be sweet to her, show her the sights and give her a big send off when it's time to go. She'll always be welcome

gedanken · 07-01-2012, 03:57 PM

philthy415 · 07-01-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gedanken

^^^^^ I lol'ed

**eneely** · 07-01-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by philthy415

^^^^^ I lol'ed

I thought it would be good to have it here for the newer posters.

**Schmendr1ck** · 07-02-2012, 12:21 AM

Last week I busted out of our Tuesday turbo NLHE tourney with a shove that I'm still unsure about. BTN (reasonable ABC TAG but can spew by overplaying TP hands) raises to 3bb, I have 20bb and look at AKo in the SB, so I 3-bet to 7.5bb. BTN is the only player at the table who covers me. He thinks briefly and 4-bets to 13bb. You know the rest; I shove, he snaps me off with AA and I'm out.

I thought about the hand a little more afterwards, and I'm still wondering if it's ever correct to fold to the 4-bet. This guy usually has a pretty small 4-betting range (QQ+/AK always, sometimes JJ, rarely AQ or TT), but he sees me as loose and has been known to make a hero move with a small pair here. Even so, I'm behind or flipping with all of his range, and he's clearly committed to calling my 5-bet shove. Can I ever fold here?

**Schmendr1ck** · 07-02-2012, 12:26 AM

After my explosive bustout on Tuesday, I did manage to recover for a +260bb showing in the post-tourney cash game.

I'm hosting twice this week - Tuesday night turbo and Saturday dinner tourney. Ship me the HOSTGOOT and RUNGOOT!

lanyi · 07-02-2012, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by philthy415

Sitting in MP1 at a full table I look down and see 44. Folds around to the player on my right who limps. I pop it to 8x, with 5x-8x being the table standard. It folds around to the BB who asks the table in a joking manner if I'm any good as a player, thinks for a min and calls. The limper folds.
The BB has been complaining all night about losing pots and a bad run of cards, having scooped only two pots and we're about 5 hrs into a 6 hr session.
A big PP here would have 3 bet pre so a call is a smallish PP, SCs, or two Broadway cards I figure. Flop comes QJ7 rainbow. If my read is right then QJ is in a huge part of his range since he's been playing tight. He takes 30 secs, deliberately looking at me and checks. I'm thinking QJ that he wants to slowplay.
I check behind. Turn card:Bingo! Another 4. He leads for $3 into a $9 pot. Without hesitation I grab a stack of ones and toss it in the pot. He takes the bait and goes all in! Of course I call and he tables QJ.

Ended the night up 30 BBs so all told not a bad night

Nice hand. Terrible flop to bluff with air so good play on checking behind the flop.

Precept2 · 07-02-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck

Last week I busted out of our Tuesday turbo NLHE tourney with a shove that I'm still unsure about. BTN (reasonable ABC TAG but can spew by overplaying TP hands) raises to 3bb, I have 20bb and look at AKo in the SB, so I 3-bet to 7.5bb. BTN is the only player at the table who covers me. He thinks briefly and 4-bets to 13bb. You know the rest; I shove, he snaps me off with AA and I'm out.

I thought about the hand a little more afterwards, and I'm still wondering if it's ever correct to fold to the 4-bet. This guy usually has a pretty small 4-betting range (QQ+/AK always, sometimes JJ, rarely AQ or TT), but he sees me as loose and has been known to make a hero move with a small pair here. Even so, I'm behind or flipping with all of his range, and he's clearly committed to calling my 5-bet shove. Can I ever fold here?

Maybe. Actually I admire your 3-bet. For simplicity's sake, I probably just 3-Bet shove. Obviously, the results are the same, but it does widen his calling range. He might look you up with 88, 99, or AQ. Since you did 3-bet a reasonable amount, you did leave yourself a fold.

You know your opponent's 4-bet range has you crushed.
equity win
Hand 0: 38.824% {AKo}
Hand 1: 61.176% {QQ+, AKs, AKo}

If you include JJ in his range, it gets a little better.
Hand 0: 39.785% {AKo}
Hand 1: 60.215% {JJ+, AKs, AKo}

If you include TT and AQ in his range, it gets much better.
Hand 0: 49.175% {AKo}
Hand 1: 50.825% {TT+, AQs+, AQo+}

Since, in your mind it's so rare that he's got TT or AQ, I think you have to fold here. I think you knew that by only 3-betting to 7.5 BBs. You left yourself 12.5 BBs if you HAD to lay it down. The 4-bet to 13 BBs is almost a min 4-bet. Min 4-bets always look strong.

All that said, I'm not as aggressive or as loose as you make yourself out to be.

PS. If wesrwood is the villain here, I 5-bet shove with this hand 100% of the time.

**eneely** · 07-02-2012, 09:52 AM

^ Good advice, unless the blinds are about to go up, leaving you with not 12.5 BB, but something like 6-8 BB. Then I have a hard time folding here. In these turbo tourneys, you can't wait around for another big hand. It could be that this was just a cooler.

**Schmendr1ck** · 07-02-2012, 01:05 PM

TBH, the purpose of my smallish 3-bet was to keep him in the hand with a wider range rather than to leave myself room to fold. I only thought about folding when he 4-bet; I knew that he was committed to calling a shove at this point, and I knew I was flipping with the more likely hands in his range (given that I had blockers to AA and KK). And while the blinds were about to go up, I still had a reasonable stack given that no one at the table was very deep.

Yeah, it was a clear fold, and I @!$#ed it up. But the other factor was the cash game that was waiting for me to jump in, and I'm sure this contributed to my decision to shove.