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View Poll Results: How many cut cards do you use?

One, because that is all that is needed, as is optimal.

18 38.30%

Two, because I don't know any better.

18 38.30%

None. Cheating is the fun part of poker.

4 8.51%

Three or more. We like to toss them about, put them under drinks, and such like.

0 0%

What's a cut card? Isn't this knit 2 + pearl 2, the knitting forum?

1 2.13%

Why is there a 6th choice?

0 0%

I like pie.

6 12.77%

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08-07-2014 , 09:29 PM

#26

eneely

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Originally Posted by Jimulacrum

Single cut cards are for cat people and (ugh) Canadians.

I am neither.

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08-07-2014 , 09:44 PM

#27

ChanmanPoker

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 249

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

An unshuffled deck is never squared and released. It's either with the sloppy muck pile, cut in two and placed in a v-formation, or being shuffled.

It does at our games. Sometimes someone who is closest to the muck will gather it, square it and then pass it over to the one who's supposed to be shuffling who couldn't reach. They'll sometimes forget to start shuffling and the deck sits there. When the hand is over, if the cut card isn't on top we know it needs a shuffle. This doesn't happen all the time as it's usually shuffled right away as it should be.

Without the 2nd cut card, a deck that's sitting there squared up is in question as to whether or not it was shuffled. Usually the one who was supposed to shuffle will remember, then again after a few drinks....

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08-07-2014 , 10:04 PM

#28

Jimulacrum

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Originally Posted by eneely

I am neither.

Could've fooled me, with all your single-cut-card advocacy.

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08-07-2014 , 10:34 PM

#29

Schmendr1ck

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

An unshuffled deck is never squared and released. It's either with the sloppy muck pile, cut in two and placed in a v-formation, or being shuffled.

BZZT! This may be true if your game has a dedicated dealer, but again, my guys always square up the deck before shuffling, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone put the deck down in v-formation if they have to act on their hand in the middle of a shuffle. I know I've never done it.

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

The second cut card is extraneous and inefficient. Only one cut card is ever in use at one time. If you're going to use a second cut card, you moght as well use "small blind" and "big blind" buttons to indicate whose turn it is to post. The next logical step is a potty training toilet, for your players who aren't yet using pull-ups.

Dual cut cards are for housewives and little girls.

MeeeOW! Kitteh has claws!

And as a host who has had to clean the bathroom numerous times after a night of poker, I cannot deny that some of my guys could use a training toilet.

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08-08-2014 , 12:10 AM

#30

Schmendr1ck

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Originally Posted by eneely

Maybe if you didn't have UTG shuffle you wouldn't have this confusion.

There's your trouble.

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08-08-2014 , 07:30 AM

#31

The Big K

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,371

Not voting because the correct answer isn't up there: For a self-dealt game, you need one cut card for every deck in play. For a dedicated dealer dame, you need only one cut card per table even if you use two decks per table.

So, for a self-dealt game, one table, one deck means one cut card.
One table, two decks means two cut cards.
Two tables, four decks (2/table) mean four cut cards.
Three tables, six decks (2/table) means six cut cards.
etc, etc, etc. ... ad nauseam.

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08-08-2014 , 12:06 PM

#32

eneely

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Well, it was fun making a mountain out of a molehill.

I haven't heard many good reasons to clutter up the table with another cut card. They are cheap, or we do it because that is the way we do it is not compelling.

If someone cannot tell or remember if they shuffled the deck, how can we be sure he didn't put the cut card on an unshuffled deck? As an indicator, it seems pretty ineffective if you cannot rely on the shuffler that much.

But I guess I can embrace diversity.

I guess.

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08-08-2014 , 12:14 PM

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Schmendr1ck

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Originally Posted by eneely

If someone cannot tell or remember if they shuffled the deck, how can we be sure he didn't put the cut card on an unshuffled deck? As an indicator, it seems pretty ineffective if you cannot rely on the shuffler that much.

Putting the cut card on top of the deck, while not 100% foolproof, is usually a conscious act done when the shuffle is finished. I suppose a player could also point at you with his middle finger without actually meaning to flip you off, but it's unlikely.

We really have made a mountain out of a molehill, but that's what we do around here. Also, I reneged on my promise not to participate in the poll and chose the only obviously correct answer: I like pie.

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08-08-2014 , 12:40 PM

#34

Bene Gesserit

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A molehill is a mountain to a flea. embrace diversity Grasshoppers.

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08-08-2014 , 06:11 PM

#35

The Palimax

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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck

Putting the cut card on top of the deck, while not 100% foolproof, is usually a conscious act done when the shuffle is finished.

Absofrickenlutely.

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08-09-2014 , 02:47 AM

#36

gamble

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08-09-2014 , 12:04 PM

#37

gedanken

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one cut card, one button, one dealer.

haven't tried two cut cards lately, maybe I'll add one to the next game and see what chaos ensues.

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08-09-2014 , 01:06 PM

#38

eneely

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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck

If your players have a hard time getting the shuffle done or can't remember if they shuffled, maybe you need an indicator. We never have an issue.

And I can respect anyone who votes pie.

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08-09-2014 , 01:17 PM

#39

abby99

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Originally Posted by gedanken

one cut card, one button, one dealer.

haven't tried two cut cards lately, maybe I'll add one to the next game and see what chaos ensues.

Do you have a dedicated dealer? If so, having two cut cards would be unnecessary.

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08-09-2014 , 02:10 PM

#40

gedanken

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no dedicated dealer here. what kind of game do you think I play in?

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08-09-2014 , 02:18 PM

#41

abby99

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Originally Posted by gedanken

no dedicated dealer here. what kind of game do you think I play in?

Just asked because you did mention "one dealer." Seriously, though, I did play in a game once with a dedicated dealer, two player-shuffled decks, and believe it or not, two cut cards, one for each deck.

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08-10-2014 , 11:15 AM

#42

eneely

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If you need a shuffled deck indicator, but the cut card sometimes gets shuffled into the deck or misplaced in some way, instead of a cut card, you could use a special card protector to indicate a deck is shuffled.

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08-10-2014 , 11:20 AM

#43

Bene Gesserit

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^ Maybe a button that says "I am shuffled" would work.

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08-10-2014 , 11:27 AM

#44

abby99

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Hosted a game last night and asked my players for their opinions. They were unanimously in favor of two cut cards and couldn't understand why anybody would want to play with just one, or for that matter, why it was even a matter of discussion. Reaction from the player on my left: "That's the most ridiculous thing I every heard." A little hyperbolic, perhaps, but he made his point.

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08-10-2014 , 11:35 AM

#45

eneely

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People get used to how their SOP. "Most ridiculous?" I think many of our players would say the same thing about adding a cut card.

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08-10-2014 , 11:38 AM

#46

eneely

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Originally Posted by Bene Gesserit

^ Maybe a button that says "I am shuffled" would work.

I was thinking a little plastic wind-up shark.

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08-10-2014 , 02:12 PM

#47

pfapfap

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Originally Posted by abby99

My players had a similar reaction when I introduced the BB shuffle. I told them I'm not so entrenched in the status quo that I fear making positive change. That shut 'em up.

tl;dr: poker players aren't known for liking what's good for them

Last edited by pfapfap; 08-10-2014 at 02:13 PM. Reason: I like the "I am shuffled" button.

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08-11-2014 , 01:13 PM

#48

Schmendr1ck

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08-11-2014 , 03:28 PM

#49

eneely

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Haha...that's awesome.

Are you sure that's big enough for your drunken, UTG, Alzheimer-suffering shufflers?

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08-11-2014 , 06:27 PM

#50

Schmendr1ck

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Originally Posted by eneely

Haha...that's awesome.

Are you sure that's big enough for your drunken, UTG, Alzheimer-suffering shufflers?

I hope so, because some days it feels like those are the only players I can beat. I don't want to chase them off.

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