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Old 02-06-2012, 01:05 AM   #16
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Re: Contemplating a tourney set, need help with structure

That's pretty sweet for a tourney starting at 100/200. I'm sure it works well, and yeah, nice easy setups and storage when you get a 20-chip stack. For those starting at 25/50, 4500 is a nice 20-stack as well.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:25 AM   #17
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I just want to add that 8x25, 8x100, and no more than 2x500 is ideal for any tournament starting at 25/50. Everything else in 1k chips.

For buyins, if you're doing $13, go to the bank and get a LOT of $5s and $1s for change. It's a lot easier if you can make buyins in multiples of $20s, or at the very least multiples of $5. A $15 buyin is a lot easier to manage than a $13 buyin.

If you use bounty chips, make sure they're easily distinguishable from evey other chip.

Those look like nice chips. Good luck and have fun!
I think I'll either make it a $8 + $2 or a $11 + $4 or something to keep the buy-ins even; either way I'll have lots of change ready.

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I've been using this for my 10k...

10 x $100
2 x $500
8 x $1000

Fits nicely in racks. I use WSOP blinds, but remove all levels using 25's. The 100 ante hits kind of hard, so I have a 2k add-on at the beginning of the tourney to soften the blow.
I like this setup also, just a stack of 20 chips is easy to work with.

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Color Value Qty remaining Qty per Re-Buy Re-Buy Value # of Re-Buys
Green 25 - - - -
Black 100 - - - -
Yellow 500 10 - - -
Orange 1,000 60 5 5,000 12
Purple 5,000 60 1 5,000 60
  Total    10,000  

After you exhaust your 1k chips for the 12 re-buys, you just use 2 purples. Very simple. You'll have 48 purples at that point, for rebuys and color ups.

You can use the 10 100s and the rest for color ups. But even if you color up the 25s through the 500s, you only need 60K chips for that. The total set is 465K chips, so you should have plenty.

You can check this yourself. Get out your dice chips and create stacks, re-buy stacks, and then color them up and see what you used.
This looks good to me, and I appreciate that you took the time to hand-jam the chart out. I'm at school in New York and home is in Illinois so I can't play with my dice chips, but I see that your chip layout will work to chip up with + rebuys and addons.

Here's the final order (chips come in packages of 25):

T25 x125
T100 x 125
T500 x 100
T1000 x 100
T5000 x 75

+ 3 cut cards and a nice set of 4 pip 4 color modianos (I've splurged on deck buying lately hehe).

Thanks for everyone's help! I'll be running my first tourney with them two weeks from yesterday, I'll post then with pictures!
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:49 AM   #18
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I just want to add that 8x25, 8x100, and no more than 2x500 is ideal for any tournament starting at 25/50. Everything else in 1k chips.
This does work fine. And it would free up some more chips in higher denoms. But I don't think higher denom chips are needed.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:22 AM   #19
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Re: Contemplating a tourney set, need help with structure

Another newb question:

When coloring up, do you round up, or have the player keep the remainder? i.e. if I have 2x T25 and the T25's are all getting removed, do I round myself up to 1xT100?
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Re: Contemplating a tourney set, need help with structure

You could do either, but I always round up. I want to get all of the small chips off the table.

The value is not much by that point. One 25 gets you 100 when the blinds are 400/800, for example. 75 free chips. Big deal.

There are also methods for racing for odd chips between players, but I think it is a waste of time, for the same reason.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:40 AM   #21
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Re: Contemplating a tourney set, need help with structure

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Another newb question:

When coloring up, do you round up, or have the player keep the remainder? i.e. if I have 2x T25 and the T25's are all getting removed, do I round myself up to 1xT100?
There are two ways of getting the small chips off the table - round up or race. When you race, everybody puts their T25s out and gets one card per chip. Then you color up the T25s to T100s and award them to the highest cards (max one per player) until they're gone. This is more complicated but keeps the total amount in play unchanged.

Rounding is easier. Like you said, color everybody up to T100 and just round up any extras. The downside is that this (slightly) increases the amount of chips in play.

My experience is that most casual tourney players would much rather round than race. I tried racing with my weekly tourney group, and there were a couple of players who never understood it and utterly hated it. There was grumbling and bitching every week, until finally we shifted to rounding. Everybody likes that, because their stack never goes down but sometimes will go up.
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There are two ways of getting the small chips off the table - round up or race. When you race, everybody puts their T25s out and gets one card per chip. Then you color up the T25s to T100s and award them to the highest cards (max one per player) until they're gone. This is more complicated but keeps the total amount in play unchanged.

Rounding is easier. Like you said, color everybody up to T100 and just round up any extras. The downside is that this (slightly) increases the amount of chips in play.

My experience is that most casual tourney players would much rather round than race. I tried racing with my weekly tourney group, and there were a couple of players who never understood it and utterly hated it. There was grumbling and bitching every week, until finally we shifted to rounding. Everybody likes that, because their stack never goes down but sometimes will go up.
Yeah, I think rounding up is much easier. The only concern is that some might get butthurt if they don't round up, i.e. they've got no extra change in the chips being removed. The counter to that is the fact that the amount a player gets in rounding is utterly negligible compared to the blinds.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #23
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Yeah, I think rounding up is much easier. The only concern is that some might get butthurt if they don't round up, i.e. they've got no extra change in the chips being removed.
It all evens out over time, and I think players will realize this. Some weeks they'll get T100 for a single T25, other weeks they'll stay the same.

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The counter to that is the fact that the amount a player gets in rounding is utterly negligible compared to the blinds.
When I tried racing, I thought players would understand this, but I was wrong:

"Dude, you've got 10,000 chips, and you're worried about losing 25 in a race? It's less than a small blind!"

"You're taking chips out of my stack that could make a difference!"
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This does work fine. And it would free up some more chips in higher denoms. But I don't think higher denom chips are needed.
You might be right. It depends on the game. For a 7-handed turbo, where you're unlikely to get past the 300/600 level, then I wouldn't use anything higher than 500.

If your game will get to a blind level of 1000/2000 long before the tourney ends, you'll find that a starting stack with 5x500 has put WAY too many 500 chips out there. The problem is the "reset" at 1k. Ideally, the next chip would be 2500, but alas.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:54 PM   #25
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Re: Contemplating a tourney set, need help with structure

Here is another consideration for your chips if you haven't purchased already: http://www.discountcasinogear.com/Ne...p-Se-p/246.htm

It looks like if you buy a set, it comes to less than $0.19/chip (taking into account the case). Maybe something like this: http://www.discountcasinogear.com/65...Set-p/1180.htm
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