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Old 08-29-2012, 05:04 PM   #1
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Best denominations for a 300 chip set?

Am going to get some new chips, since I've been lugging around my 11.5 g slugged plastics since 2005. Probably going to go with the Pharoah set, unless someone can recommend something better.

So a few questions, namely where is the best place to purchase this set (ApachePoker has it for $155 shipped), and what would my best denom choices be? You can fully customize the 300 chip set.

We play mostly tournament poker, 5-7 players with 1500 starting chips and rebuys. Every now and then we might play a cash game, with $2-300 buyins and a $5 single blind.

A good stack to start with in the 1500 tourney is 12green+12black (1500), since we start blinds at 25/50. That would mean 60 green and 60 black would cover 5 stacks, but I was thinking about getting a sixth (so 72 of each)

I'm getting tl:dr here, but any advice is welcome. Don't need any of the .05 or .25 chips, so just building a set out of $1, $5, $25, $100, $500, $1000, and $5000. Probably don't need too many $5000 but would be nice to have a few. I'm guessing at least 60 of the 1/5/25/100, so just trying to decide where my other 60 selections should go. Thanks in advance for any response!
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:30 PM   #2
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Re: Best denominations for a 300 chip set?

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A good stack to start with in the 1500 tourney is 12green+12black (1500), since we start blinds at 25/50. That would mean 60 green and 60 black would cover 5 stacks, but I was thinking about getting a sixth (so 72 of each)
My only suggestion for now: if you need to have six stacks, get enough chips for at least 8. Chips tend to get lost, disappear, break. Even if it never happened to you, trust me - one day it will and it doesn't seem like you want to ge back to your
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:34 PM   #3
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Re: Best denominations for a 300 chip set?

If all you are buying is 300 chips, I would recommend non-denominated chips. That way, your "5" can be a T5 chip or a $5.00 chip depending on the game. It also has the effect of letting you use a better blinds schedule for your T1500 stack tournies (start at 5/10, and work your way up). So lets just say you will need 5s, 25s, 100s, and 500s for your tournies, and you will need $5.00s, $20.00s, $100.00s, and $500.00s for your cash game. If you only play with a single $5.00 blind, you don't need a $1.00 chip, do you?

Starting stacks would go like this for your T1500 tourney:

T5 - 10 each (80 chips for 8 players) Red chip
T25 - 14 each (112 for 8 players) Green chip
T100 - 6 each (48 for 8 players) Black chip
T500 - 1 each (8 for 8 players) Purple chip

So an eight player tourney would require 241 chips in total. It would even cover a small number of re-buys. On to the cash game . . .

Red Chip = $5.00 chip
Green chip = $20.00 chip
Black chip = $100.00 chip
Purple chip = $500.00 chip

$300 buy in would look like this:

8 red chips = $40.00
8 green chips = $160.00
1 black chip = $100.00 for a total of $300.00. Lots of chips left for re-buys.

I would adjust the totals to make the final set look something like this:

10 Purples
150 Blacks
60 Greens
80 Reds

Total bank for your cash game would be $8,100.00.

Bear in mind, this is the first time I have tried to figure something like this out.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:25 PM   #4
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If all you are buying is 300 chips, I would recommend non-denominated chips. That way, your "5" can be a T5 chip or a $5.00 chip depending on the game. It also has the effect of letting you use a better blinds schedule for your T1500 stack tournies (start at 5/10, and work your way up). So lets just say you will need 5s, 25s, 100s, and 500s for your tournies, and you will need $5.00s, $20.00s, $100.00s, and $500.00s for your cash game. If you only play with a single $5.00 blind, you don't need a $1.00 chip, do you?

Starting stacks would go like this for your T1500 tourney:

T5 - 10 each (80 chips for 8 players) Red chip
T25 - 14 each (112 for 8 players) Green chip
T100 - 6 each (48 for 8 players) Black chip
T500 - 1 each (8 for 8 players) Purple chip

So an eight player tourney would require 241 chips in total. It would even cover a small number of re-buys. On to the cash game . . .

Red Chip = $5.00 chip
Green chip = $20.00 chip
Black chip = $100.00 chip
Purple chip = $500.00 chip

$300 buy in would look like this:

8 red chips = $40.00
8 green chips = $160.00
1 black chip = $100.00 for a total of $300.00. Lots of chips left for re-buys.

I would adjust the totals to make the final set look something like this:

10 Purples
150 Blacks
60 Greens
80 Reds

Total bank for your cash game would be $8,100.00.

Bear in mind, this is the first time I have tried to figure something like this out.
Thanks for your in depth response! You are correct about the $1's, except there is a chance we might still play $1/2, and having singles to tip our dealer is also useful.

However I'm not sure how 300 chips is too few to consider getting denominated chips, it wouldnt be too hard to put together ten stacks for 1500 or ten stacks for $200 assuming I got around 60 of the red/green/black chips.

In addition I don't see anything wrong with 25/50 starting levels, i think 5/10 with 1500 to start would be wayyyyy too long (5/10, then 10/20, then 20/40, then 40/80?). I also really like using the casino-given colors for chips, and as there is no 20 chip in a casino I believe having casino denoms on them would just make it less confusing. The same chip equalling different values in different games + alcohol and other distractions = trouble.

Just trying to make sure I cover all the angles here, the reason I wasn't going to get 100+ black chips is because that's why they make the 500/1000/5000's......which leaves me plenty of room to get some $1 chips just because I feel even with 80/80/80 red/green/black that the 60 chips left to decide wouldn't all need to be $500+.

Thanks again for your response!

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Old 08-29-2012, 06:45 PM   #5
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My only suggestion for now: if you need to have six stacks, get enough chips for at least 8. Chips tend to get lost, disappear, break. Even if it never happened to you, trust me - one day it will and it doesn't seem like you want to ge back to your
Gah I would hope that 20+ chips don't break or disappear.

Ordered a sampler set so I'll already have 1 extra of each...I can also order individual chips so I don't think I need to factor this in so much...
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Thanks for your in depth response! You are correct about the $1's, except there is a chance we might still play $1/2, and having singles to tip our dealer is also useful.

However I'm not sure how 300 chips is too few to consider getting denominated chips, it wouldnt be too hard to put together ten stacks for 1500 or ten stacks for $200 assuming I got around 60 of the red/green/black chips.

In addition I don't see anything wrong with 25/50 starting levels, i think 5/10 with 1500 to start would be wayyyyy too long (5/10, then 10/20, then 20/40, then 40/80?). I also really like using the casino-given colors for chips, and as there is no 20 chip in a casino I believe having casino denoms on them would just make it less confusing. The same chip equalling different values in different games + alcohol and other distractions = trouble.

Just trying to make sure I cover all the angles here, the reason I wasn't going to get 100+ black chips is because that's why they make the 500/1000/5000's......which leaves me plenty of room to get some $1 chips just because I feel even with 80/80/80 red/green/black that the 60 chips left to decide wouldn't all need to be $500+.

Thanks again for your response!
The reason I suggested non-denominated chips was to avoid confusion between, the "$" and tourney values. It's your set, so get what you like.

While it is true that the casino "standard" would be a $25.00 chip, there is no corresponding $25.00 bill IRL. That is why I made the suggestion. The nondenominated chips would allow the flexibility to move back and forth with a T25 for tournies, and a $20.00 chip for the cash games.

As for tipping the dealer, why not just use real cash?

I take it you are running both games on the same night? If so you might want to look at two separate and DIFFERENT sets, just to avoid any accidental movement of tourney chips to the cash table.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:58 AM   #7
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Re: Best denominations for a 300 chip set?

thinking the final version will look like

60 1's
72 5'2
72 25's
72 100's
12 500's
6 1000's
6 5000's

should have no problem playing $1 single blind no limit, $5 single blind no limit, and 1500 chip tourneys with 6-8 people. Probably going to order 10 extra $1 chips to swap out in case we need to play the $1 single blind game. Let me know if I appear to be overlooking anything, thanks
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:13 PM   #8
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Re: Best denominations for a 300 chip set?

I would try to get chips in multiples of 20 so they fit neatly in racks. But it sounds like you have a chip case so this may not be relevant in your case.
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:51 PM   #9
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thinking the final version will look like

60 1's
72 5'2
72 25's
72 100's
12 500's
6 1000's
6 5000's

should have no problem playing $1 single blind no limit, $5 single blind no limit, and 1500 chip tourneys with 6-8 people. Probably going to order 10 extra $1 chips to swap out in case we need to play the $1 single blind game. Let me know if I appear to be overlooking anything, thanks
In your OP, you said that you play rebuy-tourneys.

With 8 players you have to go 8/8/1 for the starting stack (that's fine)
1st rebuy -> you are out of 25s and 100s (that's fine)
2nd rebuy -> you are out of 500s (ok)
7th rebuy -> no more 1ks (ugh)
8th rebuy (average stack is 3k but you only have 5k chips in the bank)

The 5k chips don't really help you anyway, so I think you should get a few more 1ks instead.


Using the same chip as T100 on one night and as $100 another night is risky!
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10 Purples
150 Blacks
60 Greens
80 Reds

Total bank for your cash game would be $8,100.00.

Bear in mind, this is the first time I have tried to figure something like this out.
Very good advice (In the part I didn't quote, I'm not being sarcastic).

But my OCD is kicking in. Those chips add up to $21600. You also need more green chips. So you must mean 10/60/150/80. But that adds up to $14400.

I think using the same chips for cash and tournaments is bad. But if you decide to do it, you should adjust your tournament blinds to your normal stakes and maximize the overlap. That way you still get along with 4 colours for 1 table.
Or play $25/$50.
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Re: Best denominations for a 300 chip set?

Here is a link to a spreadsheet utility over on homepokertourney. It helps for this sort of thing.

http://www.homepokertourney.com/poke...calculator.htm
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Very good advice (In the part I didn't quote, I'm not being sarcastic).

But my OCD is kicking in. Those chips add up to $21600. You also need more green chips. So you must mean 10/60/150/80. But that adds up to $14400.

I think using the same chips for cash and tournaments is bad. But if you decide to do it, you should adjust your tournament blinds to your normal stakes and maximize the overlap. That way you still get along with 4 colours for 1 table.
Or play $25/$50.
Urm . . . thanks? Yeah, I kludged the break-down numbers badly when going from my brain to my fingers . . . it happens.
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In your OP, you said that you play rebuy-tourneys.

With 8 players you have to go 8/8/1 for the starting stack (that's fine)
1st rebuy -> you are out of 25s and 100s (that's fine)
2nd rebuy -> you are out of 500s (ok)
7th rebuy -> no more 1ks (ugh)
8th rebuy (average stack is 3k but you only have 5k chips in the bank)

The 5k chips don't really help you anyway, so I think you should get a few more 1ks instead.


Using the same chip as T100 on one night and as $100 another night is risky!
awesome response, thanks

i think i'll get only get two $5000's and get 2 extra 500's and 1000's

so i'll end up with:

60 1's
72 5'2
72 25's
72 100's
14 500's
8 1000's
2 5000's

Should buy me all the time I need before the rebuys end in an hour.

And I doubt I would ever need to get the $100 chip involved in the cash games, the 25's would suffice for the most part...however, it's only a 300 chip set so i'll notice if something is missing

thanks everyone...looking forward to the samples coming in next week, even though i'm convinced i'm going to want to order this set
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awesome response, thanks
And I doubt I would ever need to get the $100 chip involved in the cash games, the 25's would suffice for the most part...however, it's only a 300 chip set so i'll notice if something is missing
Noticing that a few 25s have gone missing doesn't help you much though.
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awesome response, thanks

i think i'll get only get two $5000's and get 2 extra 500's and 1000's

so i'll end up with:

60 1's
72 5'2
72 25's
72 100's
14 500's
8 1000's
2 5000's

Should buy me all the time I need before the rebuys end in an hour.

And I doubt I would ever need to get the $100 chip involved in the cash games, the 25's would suffice for the most part...however, it's only a 300 chip set so i'll notice if something is missing

thanks everyone...looking forward to the samples coming in next week, even though i'm convinced i'm going to want to order this set
My conclusion is you need more than 300 chips.
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