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Old 08-08-2012, 12:57 PM   #16
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Both points are valid. If you send folks to the ME will the rest of the group get a percentage of the prize taken by your representatives? If so, I like lowering it and sending 2 for, albeit slightly, better odds at that big score. Plus if one of your guys wins the whole thing they go to Vegas and play the national championship for a chance at another big score, which you could have a piece of that action as well.... Just my 0.02.
The group has 10% of the person playing in the ME. On the winning and going to the National Championship, that was something I didn't think about until after I'd sent the initial email. I'll probably bring that up when we get together to talk about it.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:58 PM   #17
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In your consolation tournament, does everyone start with equal stacks? based on attendance? points? is the winner eligible?
That I haven't completely determined for the Consolation tournament. I'm leaning toward equal stacks (since everyone paid the same money toward the consolation and ME prize pools). The winner is not eligible to play, as he needs no consolation. ;-)
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:12 PM   #18
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If possible, give a second seat to the winner of the consolation freeroll instead of a cash prize. It gives those who are out of the running for first place something else to play for.

Make the freeroll dependent on participation (not performance) - either a sliding scale for your starting chipstack based on # of tourneys played, or maybe a must-play-all-5 requirement to get a seat in the freeroll and a cut of any WSOP winnings.
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:24 PM   #19
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I took a semi-spontaneous trip to Foxwoods today. I was going to go with Wesrwood, but he backed out yesterday. I was on the fence, but last night's beta testing with Akhaner gave me the itch.

I got there in time to miss the first level of the $60 Turbo with a $20 addon. I added immediately and went to work. And by work, I mean being the regtard's bitch for a while. There was a dude to my left that raised everything I did. I started with 10k and was left with about 6.5k when our table broke.

Not much good happened in the tournament. Twice saw QQ in the BB. First time, 6 limpers at 100-200 and I raise to 2200 with one caller. On a J-high board, I shove for my last 4k and take it down. The other time, blinds were 600-1200/200 and 4 limpers. I shoved for about 8k and took that down. Later, I raise-folded 45s at 500-1k pre-flop leaving me with about 7k. I shoved A9s and got taken down by KK.

Off to the cash game. I sat at a brand new 1-2 in a great seat. Only 3 other players seemed competent and they were all to my right. I bought in for $230 until I got a handle on the table.

First hand, I decided to see what was what, so I limped in EP with QdJd. 6 players to the flop. I expected a raise, but they let it go.

Pot ($11)
Flop: Q98 (2 clubs, 1 diamond)

Blinds check, I check, 2 limpers check, button bets $12, all fold except me.

Pot (~$30)
Turn: 5d (two diamonds now)

I check-call $20.
Pot (~$70)

River: 4d

I lead for $52, he instacalls and mucks to my flush.

Next hand, I get KK (both black) and raise UTG to $12 only get called by villain from previous hand.

Pot (~$25)
Flop: A47 (all clubs)

I bet $16, he calls.

Pot (~$55)
Turn: Jx

I bet $26, he folds.

I paid off an old dude who flopped bottom set when I hit TPGK for a little. I went down to about $330 and got it back to $420 or so when I got to my last orbit.

UTG limps, I limp with As7s, 5 more limpers.

Pot ($13)
Flop: QT9 (2 spades)

Blinds check, Nitty short-stacking girl bets $10, I call, everyone else folds.

Pot (~$30)
Turn: Ax

She checks, I bet $15, she calls.

Pot (~$60)
River: 7x

She checks, I bet $30, she calls. I back doored 2 pair to end around $530.

Tourney: -$80
Cash Game: +$300

Good day!
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:06 PM   #20
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Grats on the win. I love beating the casino games better than home games. Home games are social. Casinos are cutthroat. Grats again!
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:26 PM   #21
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If possible, give a second seat to the winner of the consolation freeroll instead of a cash prize. It gives those who are out of the running for first place something else to play for.

Make the freeroll dependent on participation (not performance) - either a sliding scale for your starting chipstack based on # of tourneys played, or maybe a must-play-all-5 requirement to get a seat in the freeroll and a cut of any WSOP winnings.
That's a decent idea, and I may bring that up as a possibility. If we have more than 10 but less than 20, it's definitely a possibility. Looking at the number if we have 15 players (which is very real possibility given the interest), we could outright give away a $2K package to the series winner, a $2K package to the consolation tournament winner and $250 for the 2nd place finisher, and still do $500/$300/$225 for the monthly tournaments.

I'll definitely bring this up when we get to the discussion phase (probably late this month since we're not looking to start until November).

And I'll have to consider the 'make all five to participate' line on the consolation tournament. I'd likely lean more toward each one you attend gives you T2K in chips in the consolation tournament (so you make all 5, you start with T10K, which is what we're starting with in each of the monthly tournaments).
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:10 PM   #22
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Grats on the win. I love beating the casino games better than home games. Home games are social. Casinos are cutthroat. Grats again!
It felt like a home game. Strangers giving each other the business. Heck, even dealers were giving guys the business. It felt good to book a win.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:03 AM   #23
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Tourney: -$80
Cash Game: +$300

Good day!
Gratz +1. I'm going to try to sneak out for some 1/2NL myself this weekend, looking for similar results.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:08 AM   #24
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That's a decent idea, and I may bring that up as a possibility.
Credit goes to pfapfap, who (unlike me) has run this type of league before and posted a ton of good info about it. The key is giving those who are out of the running a damn good reason to keep attending the tourneys. If anyone, even last place, has a shot at a seat or some cash until the very end, they're more likely to keep paying and playing.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:29 AM   #25
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I've been quiet over the weekend because I just got back from a long weekend in Puerto Rico, and it was a blast. While I wasn't able to take advantage of the numerous casinos down there (next time!), we did have some local friends who gave us first-timers a tour of the island. We visited Ponce, El Yunque, and Old San Juan - it was a ton of fun and incredibly relaxing.

I won't bore you with vacation photos (trust me, I'm tempted), but I do have to post one. While gassing up on the way to El Yunque, we saw three incredible Beetle-cycle hybrids. I only got a pic of one:



I'm disappointed that I missed the one with the two elderly mannequins in the back seat.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:23 AM   #26
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Credit goes to pfapfap, who (unlike me) has run this type of league before and posted a ton of good info about it. The key is giving those who are out of the running a damn good reason to keep attending the tourneys. If anyone, even last place, has a shot at a seat or some cash until the very end, they're more likely to keep paying and playing.
Looking at it again, I was able to come up with the following:

10 Players:
1 ME Package for the Points Leader
1 555 BI Package for Consolation Winner
$300 cash for 2nd place in the consolation tournament

15 Players:
1 ME Package for the Points Leader
1 ME Package for the Consolation Winner
$300 for Consolation 2nd Place
$200 for Consolation 3rd Place

20 Players:
2 ME Packages for the Points Leader and Runner-up
1 ME Package for the Consolation Winner
$275 for the Consolation Runner-up

25 Players:
2 ME Packages for the Points Leader and Runner-up
1 ME Package for the Consolation Winner
2 555 BI Packages for Consolation 2nd and 3rd

30 Players:
3 ME Packages for the Points Leader and Runner-up
1 ME Package for the Consolation Winner
1 555 BI Package for Consolation 2nd
$300 for Consolation 3rd

This also keeps the monthly tournament prizepools to consistently 50% of the Buy-in money each month.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:29 PM   #27
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Looking at it again, I was able to come up with the following:
I think that looks really good - especially the way that you've spread the excess cash into multiple prizes for the freeroll. The more reasons your losing players have to stick around, the fewer dropouts you'll have.

Are you going to make players qualify for the freeroll by requiring a minimum number of games, or will you adjust starting stacks based on attendance?
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:05 PM   #28
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Are you going to make players qualify for the freeroll by requiring a minimum number of games, or will you adjust starting stacks based on attendance?
As it currently stands, you get T2000 for the "Freeroll" tournament for each tournament you attend, and a T3000 bonus if you attend all 5 (so a max starting stack of T13000).
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:44 AM   #29
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So my Tuesday night has now relocated to every other Thursday, running in tandem with Amicusnole's Thursday night game. Starting back last night, I had a good turn out, with 8 total players at its max and sitting around 7 most of the night.

For my part, I'm actually surprised I ended up down only 20 BBs for the nights (and grumbling a bit because, by all rights, I should have ended the night up in a major way). To give you an idea of why I'm surprised, I give you two hands:

Dirty River:
I have 8/10 os. The flop comes down J/9/X (I don't remember what the card was, and it was irrelevant). The turn was the Q, completing my straight. The villain in this story leads out, I raise, and she calls. The river is the J. She leads out for a small beat, and I just call because I know the river just screwed me (and I've gotten out of my habit of betting into her she has the best hand). She, of course, turns of Q/J for the river boat.

Who cares about probability:
So I'm in this hand against another solid player, and I'm on the button with a straddle out (we use Mississippi straddle rules). Blinds are 1/1 and I've straddled for 3. The SB calls along with one other player, and I look down to find that miracle of miracles: Aces in the Straddle. I raise to 8, and the SB immediately re-raises to 20ish (don't remember the exact sizing). The other player folds out, and I four bet to 50. SB tanks for a couple of minutes then declares all-in, at which point I naturally snap call. He turns over K/K, and I turn over two black Aces.

We agree to run it three times:

First board: Runner-Runner Four flush in hearts. Winner: Kings
Second Board: Blanks both. Winner: Aces
Third Board: King and a pair on the flop. No aces on the board. Winner: Kings

Looking back over the night, I can't see anything where my play was indefensible. Granted, there were some that weren't optimal (I had aces earlier in the night against Amicusnole and one other where I raised, got three bet, Amicusnole called, I four bet, the three-better folded, and Amicusnole tanked for a good while before folding his Queens face up where if I'd just smooth called the three-bet, I'd have gotten the rest of his stack at the time instead), but nothing that just screamed "why did you do that?!" Okay, maybe playing the 7/4 where I turned a flush and the board four flushed on the river, but that's about it.

Regardless, it was a fun night, and I'm looking forward to the game at Amicusnole's next week.

I've also got a good buddy of mine trying to convince me to playing in an Omaha game that runs on Friday nights, as he's convinced I can crush it. However, I know most of my issue is psychological (it's a bigger game that players much bigger, and I know I'd be playing with scared money). He's starting to talk being willing to front half my BI and do an equity split of whatever I win. The saving grace for me at this point is I work on Friday nights, so I never go to that game since I get out so late, and the other big Omaha game that runs is Mon/Wed evening when my wife has class and I'm home with the kids.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:21 AM   #30
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For my part, I'm actually surprised I ended up down only 20 BBs for the nights (and grumbling a bit because, by all rights, I should have ended the night up in a major way).
Yep, I recall a very similar session from several months ago. In four hours I had AA and KK 4-5 times and flopped four sets, and I ended the session 40bb down. Players were just catching their gutshots and backdoor flush draws against me every single stinking time. When that crap happens, all you can do is try to play well and pat yourself on the back if you do.

BTW, I'm changing the name of this thread to the "August 2012 Schmendr1ck and mariettabull Thread." Where is everybody?
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