It was in the context of what DN was saying and how I ask what I ask at the table. In a hand, jovial, not slowing up the game. Obv I don't tell people Phil Laak is going to be mad at them or now that they are our of position its going to be hard hand for them. Its more like what I quoted earlier 'why bet so big' 'what do you think I have here' ect. what I consider, normal table talk. However, if everyone else thinks that asking these types of questions is out of line, or "terrible behavior", especially at a casino where I would play for stakes that matter, then I would need to be more careful about what I say.

it's not normal table talk, especially in most home games.... but also, I'd bet, in most B&M games either.

The people who do this are trying to impress others. It's usually not impressive.

I suggest losing the habit.

What would you say would be generally accepted at the table at a casino, as far as table talk related to the game. I.e. not bsing about sports/politics ect.

yea i'd tend to agree, especially at lower stakes games when even simple stuff like that is going over most people's heads. just keep that stuff to yourself. saying is still kinda belittling (even if unintentional) your opponents, which is just bad business (especially in home games where you need to be invited to continue playing)

Agree 100%. Egos get in the way so often in poker and for most of the players that feel they have to talk in this manner do so to try and stroke their ego and prove how knowledgeable about the game they are and how great they play. Most of them are delusional though. Just shut up and play.

While I agree your attitude in this thread is gradually improving, I still get the feeling that a defensive mechanism is still in play here, as if you're trying to stay the same player/person at the table as much as you can but to a lessor degree so you can continue to play in a +EV game. Stop this. Typically when a thread starts off with the title, "Am I out of line here?" the answer is almost always "yes" - and you knew it before you started typing. Even above, it's as if you're looking to continue the table talk shtick, even though it hasn't been working for you at the home game.

I very well could be wrong, but my point is to take all the advice given here and use it to your advantage, rather than try and better shape our opinion of you or your table image. Clearly your home game does not like something about your image. Stop explaining yourself, for better or for worse, and just take notes.

To answer your question above, and most others you've asked. Let the game come to you. Don't look to curb your behavior at little or a lot. Just go with the flow of the game. If someone next to you wants to talk about sports/politics, do so or don't. If someone wants to talk poker strategy, ditto. But what you've described in your OP clearly isn't working. Join in whatever mood appears to be in play at that time. That is not to say be passive and quiet until someone includes you. Just use your best judgment and roll with it.

If you enjoy the company at said home game, work on joining in their fun. I do believe you want to change for the better, just pick up on the social cues around you and blend in... all the while going home with extra cash in your pocket - everybody wins!

GL and let us know how your next session or two goes.

at a casino, I prefer people not talk about poker strategy, either. BSing about sports ok, politics no. "wow look at that pretty hand" or "lucky" is ok. Anything more specific is on thin ice.

I believe use of the word "outs" is borderline. "I had outs" is ok. "You had my outs", ok. "she picked up 3 outs on the turn" is out of bounds, if you ask me. save it for 2+2

That DN hand is on a table about 6 standard deviations from normal. He's not teaching anyone anything; those people all know that stuff backwards and forwards (it's practically baby talk in that context). He's fishing for information and sowing doubt in the lingua franca of the environment he's in. fwiw, DN is seen as pretty annoying by a lot of people these days.

(and W.T.F. with the fold, ms Tilly? she now holds the top 2 spots in my list of "weak/tightest things I've ever seen at a poker table.)

Not this, except among the most experienced, bored pros who are filling dead time waiting for any fish to wander back, after being chased off by this kind of talk.




get it, now?

Hell, I was confused that she didn't check-raise the turn.

The next game is in ~ two weeks, but it is a couples game. Which has been described to me as one person plays pre flop, then your partner plays the flop, and so on till the river. Which lol leaving my gf a hard turn or river decision, shes guaranteed to c/f . Although this game will likely be much more light hearted for everyone so it could serve as a good chance to make jokes/be less serious. The new series starts in ~3 weeks, will def TR after that game.

well, it sounds like you've been beaten up enough - and to your credit, I think you've taken it pretty well.

To be honest, I'm surprised that they didn't kick you already. To me, the behavior is worse than most of the posters here think it is.

It seems to me that you're rude, patronizing, elitist, arrogant and cocky. Those things would be fine in a game with your friends - guys who know each other well can get away with that behavior - but these are with strangers (and your girlfriends fathers' friends beyond that).

Practice being gracious and humble. There is absolutely no reason to kick someone when their down by insulting them after you've taken a pot off of them (which it seems to me you are doing). Based on the story you've told, I'm amazed you lasted that long at the game. To be totally honest (I know I'm in the minority here - but I might be more in line with the people you're playing against) - I thought the behavior in the story was so douchey that I thought this thread was a level...

- They are playing for fun

- You are a better player - great - you're making money

- No reason to take their money AND step all over them

This game doesn't need you or your girlfriend. All you are contributing is head aches, frustration and drama (and unwanted lessons).

Are you by chance wearing sunglasses and a hoodie in this game?

I got that hand from the HSNL thread about it, there is a debate on what they would do in her spot, I had watched the hand so it was easy to find, that's why I used it, prolly should have looked for a better example. And agree, super bad donk lead fold river, she clearly had no plan for all of DN's possible actions after she bet.

Please don't be lecturing your girlfriend on what she should have done after a hand plays out!

Also - please don't lecture any of the other women about how they should have played a hand. I don't know the concealed weapons laws in Kentucky, but it could be dangerous!

Why are you so concerned with talking poker at the table? Take the advice here and DON'T talk poker. Have you never played in a casino before? Just sit, listen, and play.

I would suggest searching for some articles and podcasts (on Deuce Plays with Bart Hansen) by Tommy Angelo. He focuses a lot on the mental approach to the game. Here is a link to get you started:

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/a...s/angelo37.htm

I would highlight two sentences here for you:

1) You have the right to remain silent.
2) Or you could think of it as sit up and shut up.

haha, no sunglasses. I don't even own a pair of sunglasses. Come to think of it no one at this game wears sunglasses while playing which is refreshing really. And no the hoodie too and I don't ware sunglasses ever at the table but the occasional hoodie, with the hood down on my shoulders fwiw. I do ware a hat fwiw.