All-in misread chip stack -- etiquette?
Join Date: Nov 2016
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Hi all,
Curious of your take on a fair outcome here, considering players are all friends, some more experienced players / others less experienced.
Stakes: 0.10/0.25
Pot at river: ~$12.50
Board: 2h 5h 8 Qh A ~ Possible flush on board
Picking up the action at the river:
Player A:
-Hole Cards: TT
-Player A is less experienced, and has been calling Player B more often, due to Player B's bluffy image
Player B is out of position and checks to Player B, who has been leading the action PF, Flop, and Turn cards. Player B takes a rough look at the chips Player B has, and assumes $6. After a few seconds they say outloud that they will call an all-in from Player B.
Player B:
-Hole Cards: KhJh
-Player B is more experienced and has bluffy / aggressive image. Has lost a lot of pots with bluffs.
Player B has a read on Player A from a previous hand, the last time Player A said they would call an all-in when checking on the river, they called an all-in. Player B is 80%+ sure they will call an all-in here. Player B goes all-in, within a second, Player A calls.
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Player A thought they were only calling about 6-7$ but didn't notice the black chips at the bottom of the blue stack which were worth more. Player B had about $20 in chips.
What is the fair outcome considering both players are friends?
Join Date: Sep 2005
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A fair outcome is that player B pays the bet upto his stack. Realises it was his mistake and learns a lesson and doesn't complain. Of course other outcomes nay also be fair but this is the best outcome.
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Join Date: May 2009
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B goes all-in, A calls. A pays B the whole stack.
Is A claiming that they weren't going to call $20, but would have called $6? If that's the case, A learned a $14 lesson, that could have been $140 (or more) at an actual cardroom. The rest of the table gets the lesson for free.
Join Date: Jul 2009
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B went all-in, A called. A pays B. A (hopefully) learns a relatively inexpensive lesson in how to read a stack.
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Just as an aside, you should likely request higher denomination chips not be at the bottom of a stack of somwhat similiar colors blue/black. That can only help a little to avoid a false reading of a players stack. Does not change anything in this situation, but for the future.
