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07-28-2016 , 04:04 PM

T00MZ

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i'm not sure if this is the right part of the forum to post in, i apologize if it's not.

so i was playing 1-2 nlhe at a private club last night, yes there was a rake, and the game got raided...

they confiscated the cash i had in my pocket and gave me a summons to go to court, was arrested for gambling and given a pta (promise to appear).

anyone know what i can expect when i go to court?

i've been at a game that was a raided before and i was not arrested and the money in my pocket was not confiscated.

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07-28-2016 , 04:23 PM

psandman

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Get a lawyer

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07-28-2016 , 04:34 PM

T00MZ

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Originally Posted by psandman

Get a lawyer

i dont think its that serious...

is it?

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07-28-2016 , 04:46 PM

iTzLifestyle

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What country your in might help. I would definitely talk t a lawyer but you can pretty much kiss your money goodbye. It will cost way more in lawyer fees than you probably had in your pocket. Never been involved in a raid but like I said let us know what country and or state it happened and you could get better answers.

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07-28-2016 , 04:54 PM

T00MZ

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Originally Posted by iTzLifestyle

im in the US, connecticut.

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07-28-2016 , 07:19 PM

Bene Gesserit

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Obviously the operator did not make the needed moves to "protect" his game from being raided. Likely you are not in much trouble if you were simply a player. Operators who profit from running underground rooms generally are the targets. Money is gone however most likely. Connecticut is a good state to have social unraked games in. Like my home state , Kentucky, home games are legal by statute. Once a host starts to gain from spreading a game or games , he goes over the line legally and can get trouble from authorities who have not been "taken care of". How serious local police take this varies hugely from place to place. Good luck to you.

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07-28-2016 , 07:28 PM

psandman

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Originally Posted by T00MZ

i dont think its that serious...

is it?

You know who could tell you? A lawyer. Or you could take advice from random strangers online ......

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07-28-2016 , 08:01 PM

Buzz

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Originally Posted by T00MZ

anyone know what i can expect when i go to court?

Get a lawyer... a good one.

Buzz

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07-28-2016 , 08:02 PM

The Big K

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Originally Posted by psandman

Get a lawyer

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Originally Posted by T00MZ

i dont think its that serious...

is it?

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Originally Posted by psandman

You know who could tell you? A lawyer. Or you could take advice from random strangers online ......

Get a lawyer.

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07-28-2016 , 09:25 PM

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DasCoupe

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Consult a lawyer.

Far cheaper.

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07-28-2016 , 09:55 PM

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jkn5786

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What game got busted?

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07-28-2016 , 10:02 PM

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Jeff Cogswell

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Oh wow that's not good.

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07-28-2016 , 10:40 PM

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Randomly Banned.

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Lawyer up.

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07-29-2016 , 05:01 AM

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I have never heard of them taking cash out of players' pockets in police raids. That seems totally unconstitutional by any measure. Is this at all common?

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07-29-2016 , 07:35 AM

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I have never heard of them taking cash out of players' pockets in police raids. That seems totally unconstitutional by any measure. Is this at all common?

I know this is a little different, but I had 5k cash taken from me on my way to a poker game. I was smoking a joint, got pulled over, they searched me and car and found the 5k in my pocket and the half a joint. Confiscated my money because they thought it was drug related. I'm guessing they can confiscate any money that they think was earned illegally, i.e. a poker game. So you will have to get a lawyer to prove that you earned the money legit/paid taxes on it.

I never saw my 5k again and they threw away the weed ticket.

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07-29-2016 , 08:25 AM

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The Big K

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I have never heard of them taking cash out of players' pockets in police raids. That seems totally unconstitutional by any measure. Is this at all common?

He was caught in a location where a crime was being committed. They have every right to seize any evidence on him.

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07-29-2016 , 12:54 PM

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Hmm, maybe it is more common than I had thought. I would certainly disagree about them having "every right" to do it though. Police sometimes do things they shouldn't do; check the news.

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07-29-2016 , 12:56 PM

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He was caught in a location where a crime was being committed. They have every right to seize any evidence on him.

How is cash in a person's pocket evidence in this case .... other than the operator or banker?

It's common but let's not pretend it's right....

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07-29-2016 , 01:40 PM

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FLiBe

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Originally Posted by psandman

How is cash in a person's pocket evidence in this case .... other than the operator or banker?

It's common but let's not pretend it's right....

http://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

Civil forfeiture allows police to confiscate any large sums of cash if they suspect it is used in drug trafficking. You don't even have to be caught with drugs, they can suspect anyone of buying drugs solely for the reason that they are driving around with a big chunk of cash.

It's certainly not morally right, but it is currently legal in many states.

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07-29-2016 , 01:43 PM

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http://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wi..._United_States

Civil forfeiture allows police to confiscate any large sums of cash if they suspect it is used in drug trafficking. You don't even have to be caught with drugs, they can suspect anyone of buying drugs solely for the reason that they are driving around with a big chunk of cash.

It's certainly not morally right, but it is currently legal in many states.

But that has zero to do with the post I responded to which claimed it could be seized as evidence of a crime. I challenged the claim that it was evidence.

I am familiar with the unconstitutional civil forfeiture laws.

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07-29-2016 , 01:48 PM

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The Big K

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I'm not a lawyer so I couldn't tell you with any certainty. However, gambling typically involves a cash component and hence cash would be evidence for a gambling crime.

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07-29-2016 , 01:51 PM

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I'm not a lawyer so I couldn't tell you with any certainty. However, gambling typically involves a cash component and hence cash would be evidence for a gambling crime.

And I would agree if the cash were on the table being used in the gambling. Or if the cash was seen being used in the gambling. But the nature of a poker game doesn't really support the idea that cash in the pocket of a player is evidence of a crime.

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07-29-2016 , 02:01 PM

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FLiBe

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Originally Posted by psandman

Ya you're right. I guess I was more responding to itzlifestyle's story. But the police certainly don't need good excuses to seize cash; it sounds like that was a straight up shake down.

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07-29-2016 , 02:19 PM

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The Big K

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Look I'm not a lawyer. Which is why I (and you) have told him to get a lawyer.

I'm pretty certain that in some states, if the police found car keys on him, they could seize the car (assuming it was there) for being used "to commit a crime." Now a lawyer may be able to fight that and get the car back.