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Old Yesterday, 05:41 PM   #10101
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Why would guest rights apply to people eating in the woods?

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The way this reads, if I grab a sandwich and then crash on Cersei's couch, I should be able to live with her forever.
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Old Yesterday, 05:48 PM   #10102
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One would think that Arya would be just a little curious as to what was happening at her ancestral home. Are her stuffed animals as she left them? How's Old Nan doing? Are any of my family members still there?
If she knew the remaining stems and seeds of the Stark family were back in control of Winterfell, do you think she returns there or continues her quest to kill Cersie? I can picture her going home and saying to Sansa " while you were busy banging Jeofrey, THEIMP, the Bolton bastard and god knows who else, I was ......."
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In massive plot twist Ed Sheeran is going to rape and kill Arya.
Arya, along with Dany are the only 2 characters who will never be killed off under any circumstances.
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Old Yesterday, 05:51 PM   #10104
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I'm still trying to figure out how Euron found the men and resources to build 1,000 ships and properly man them in such a short period of time.
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Old Yesterday, 05:52 PM   #10105
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Why would guest rights apply to people eating in the woods?

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I was wondering why they matter even if it was covered out in the woods. Oaths, rights , gods , whatever are solely for suckers and mean very little when push comes to shove in their world.
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Old Yesterday, 05:55 PM   #10106
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If she knew the remaining stems and seeds of the Stark family were back in control of Winterfell, do you think she returns there or continues her quest to kill Cersie? I can picture her going home and saying to Sansa " while you were busy banging Jeofrey, THEIMP, the Bolton bastard and god knows who else, I was ......."
My guess is that she thinks they're all dead. She basically said this to iirc the Hound when she was traveling with him ("My family's all dead and I have nowhere to go"). Or maybe they're portraying her post-Braavos character as one of stern will and laser focus on her "list" so maybe she doesn't go back even if she knows for a fact someone is there. The reunion would be very satisfying to me though.

ETA but she literally told Jaqen she was going home so shrug

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Old Yesterday, 05:55 PM   #10107
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I'm still trying to figure out how Euron found the men and resources to build 1,000 ships and properly man them in such a short period of time.
I think only a very small faction of his people left with Theon and his sister. He also may have been traveling with a significant force, but I do agree. It seems a little hyper spaced to me as well.
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Old Yesterday, 06:03 PM   #10108
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I'm still trying to figure out how Euron found the men and resources to build 1,000 ships and properly man them in such a short period of time.
While we're all gathering resources and strengthening our walls and towers and building archers, Euron put all his points into Shipbuilding.

I try not to think about fast travel too much because it ruins the show, I just choose to believe that time isn't necessarily linear for all characters. (Like, for example, when Jaime was in captivity. He was only caged up for a couple of eps but then when he and Brienne are talking about their fight his excuse for her being better was that he had "been sitting in a muddy pen wrapped in chains for a year." Obv that was added to inform the audience how long he had really been there to give us some sense of how time has passed, they just have a really hard time keeping in uniform.
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Old Yesterday, 06:12 PM   #10109
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Lol. Way to totally avoid the point of the question, and be forced to admit that you were wrong. Imagine that Shaq were cast as a large Unsullied warrior or whatever. There are no distractions or incongruities other than the fact that he is Shaq. Would you be 100% fine with it and still say:

The way to tell he didn't ruin the scene is that literally 0 people who didn't know who he was were commenting on his presence or acting as if it didn't fit.

If you can't look past the actor being famous for other things then that's a you problem.

Like if Shaq is in Game of Thrones and you're thinking "why is Shaq doing this?" then it's your problem for thinking of him as Shaq as opposed to the character he is playing.
Yes, I would be 100% fine with that
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Old Yesterday, 06:50 PM   #10110
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Well, at least you're consistent. Guess it's time to squeeze in all of the different actors' favorite athletes, pop stars, and random pseudo-celebs, CDL says it's fine.

Time for Peyton Manning to be a new Lord in the North! Time for Bill O'Reilly to appear as a Maester! Time for Kim Kardashian to be Jon Snow's new love interest! Actually, on second thought, I wouldn't mind her being a random prostitute in Littlefoot's brothel!
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She did just whack a whole bunch of Freys who all couldn't have killed a Stark.
My point here isn't that what Arya is doing is not morally ambiguous or that we're not supposed to question it. My point is how it is getting presented to the audience. When she killed the Freys we had a scene dehumanizing them, with them toasting and cheering as Arya was talking about the Red Wedding. With the Lannister soldiers we had a scene humanizing them. We're not going to get Arya killing them without a sharp change in how they're getting presented.

One of the good things about the series is that it frequently presents characters as "good guys" and then has them doing some pretty morally questionable **** (and vice versa of course, with characters like Jaime). But it doesn't hold your hand, it sticks to narrative convention. Arya's revenge is portrayed as justified and it's up to the audience to question that. Whether the show continues to do that now that it's free from the constraints of the books is anyone's guess. I hope we don't get Sansa going full on evil queen, it was hinted at pretty heavily this ep.
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Old Yesterday, 07:04 PM   #10112
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There's no way Arya intends to kill the soliders. I think the point of the scene was to show Arya that the world isn't as black and white as she has been seeing it in terms of good and evil.

The rank and file footsoliders of the Lannister army (or any army for that matter) are just regular people typically. Just because Cersei or Joffrey are monsters doesn't mean they all are.
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Old Yesterday, 08:24 PM   #10113
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Well, at least you're consistent. Guess it's time to squeeze in all of the different actors' favorite athletes, pop stars, and random pseudo-celebs, CDL says it's fine.

Time for Peyton Manning to be a new Lord in the North! Time for Bill O'Reilly to appear as a Maester! Time for Kim Kardashian to be Jon Snow's new love interest! Actually, on second thought, I wouldn't mind her being a random prostitute in Littlefoot's brothel!
THEDONALD in the Night King's army
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Well, at least you're consistent. Guess it's time to squeeze in all of the different actors' favorite athletes, pop stars, and random pseudo-celebs, CDL says it's fine.

Time for Peyton Manning to be a new Lord in the North! Time for Bill O'Reilly to appear as a Maester! Time for Kim Kardashian to be Jon Snow's new love interest! Actually, on second thought, I wouldn't mind her being a random prostitute in Littlefoot's brothel!
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Old Today, 04:26 AM   #10115
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I thought the scene was intentionally creating tension over whether she would kill them or not. She is clearly a bit conflicted about it. It sounds like some people watched the scene and asked whether the soldiers were going to hurt her, but I don't think that was ever the question. It's clear that she is much more dangerous to them than they are to her. She is aware of guest rights and of the fact they aren't trying to hurt her, but she still understands them as enemies.
Arya won't trust Lannister soldiers to adhere to guest rights, for obvious reasons. Especially if anyone happens to recognize her, however unlikely that might be.

I agree the scene was intentionally creating tension, but not over whether Arya would just straight up kill them. Are the soldiers really good guys? Would the soldiers recognize her as a Stark? Would the situation escalate? As a viewer I certainly didn't think the soldiers would be able to hurt Arya, but I thought that might be or become their intention.

The way the scene ended, the sharing of food and laughing off her "joke", I think the tension concluded. For me that would raise the shock factor if by the start the next episode the Lannister soldiers are slaughtered. If that's the way they want to take Arya's character I guess it's possible, but I don't think that's the way she's heading.
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Old Today, 04:29 AM   #10116
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so maybe it was just supposed to invoke the whole guest right / Red Wedding thing to Arya then

the tension in that scene was all from her perspective, as those kids were not at all concerned that this girl might slaughter them all
She would not be able to slaughter them. The only way Arya can kill someone is when she is in disguise and has the element of surprise. She does not know kung fu and cannot just slaughter a bunch of soldiers at will in a head-on fight. She might have been able to kill one of them but then she would be instantly dead.

In the scene it was obvious the only risk would have been towards Arya if the soldiers had wanted to mess with her. Luckily for her, Ed Sheeran is a good guy, whoever the hell that is.

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Old Today, 04:41 AM   #10117
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OJ Simpson will be out in time to make a season 8 appearance.
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Old Today, 09:07 AM   #10118
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She would not be able to slaughter them. The only way Arya can kill someone is when she is in disguise and has the element of surprise. She does not know kung fu and cannot just slaughter a bunch of soldiers at will in a head-on fight. She might have been able to kill one of them but then she would be instantly dead.

In the scene it was obvious the only risk would have been towards Arya if the soldiers had wanted to mess with her. Luckily for her, Ed Sheeran is a good guy, whoever the hell that is.
She's clearly a threat to them. You're right that she couldn't kill them all in straight combat, but she could very easily pick them off after they've gone to bed (just need to kill the watch quietly and the rest would be easy).

The scene was all about whether Arya has any humanity left or she will just kill everyone associated with her enemies.
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Time for Peyton Manning to be a new Lord in the North!
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