I think he intended to kill Tywin. What other reason would he have for going there? Is he letting his Dad know that he's escaped to lower his chances of actually escaping? Does he want to have a quick chat with his Dad about something else and expect for Tywin to let him go afterwards or not call the Kingsguard?

Maybe I'm just forgetting and he intended to steal something?

He wanted to confront him once and for all about everything really.

Is that not reason enough in the GoT world?

oh please take it to twitter...

I thought he went to confront Tywin about the trial and upcoming sentence, but I may be confusing it with the book and if so I apologize. As I recall it, though, he picked up the crossbow in the chamber ... When he arrived, he had no weapon -- which is consistent with the idea that he went to confront and not to kill.

He grabbed the crossbow before speaking to Tywin, he intended to kill him. Still my all time favorite scene from GOT. Damn I miss Tywin, he was great.

i dont think he intended to kill tywin by picking up the crossbow so much as he realized that he's a little dwarf and daddy is a total boss who hates his guts, so he better have some way to protect himself because he sure AF ain't winning a fistfight or a wrestling match

i mean clearly killing tywin could have been his intention, but i dont think that's necessarily the one natural implication from just picking up the crossbow.

Right, but that was after he found shae. What did he intend when he climbed the ladder to get to the hand's chamber, which is the key question? I agree that after he found shae and killed her, he went looking for Tywin with intent to kill.

ya but we're talking about his intentions before heading up to the tower of the hand and he grabs the bow after killing Shae, so it doesn't prove anything

Shae wakes up and sees Tyrion standing there then realizes she might be in danger and grabs the knife. At the same time she does this Tyrion goes for her. It's pretty clear who attacked who in that scene. If Tyrion hadn't gone for her I doubt Shae would have ran across the room to attack him with the knife. Would have probably just yelled out for guards or asked him what the hell he was doing there. Attacking him would make no sense.

WTF did you think was going to happen? A father and son chat to work out their differences?

k I'm done after this post.


Just rewatched it, pretty clear that Greedo shoots first.

So she wouldn't have attacked him, she would have just yelled for the guards to come kill him or throw him in jail and kill him the next day? Ah ok.

they took out of the best lines from the book after tyrion kills his father on the toilet


"I guess he didnt s**t gold after all"

tbh it seemed clear-ish to me that Tyrion already considered himself dead -- at least that he valued an encounter with his father more than he cared about running away.

He was going to lose (or had already lost) everything and everyone he knew. There was that long dialog with his brother before the trial by combat where he's tell that story of his cousin smashing bugs, I think explaining his mindset and talking about the pointlessness of everything. In S5 we are shown that a bit when he gets to Essos and is drowning himself in wine and doesn't care about anything. We see in those scenes were Varys had to convince him to come with him and not just toss away what he had left of his life.

I don't think he had any desires or clear thought at all when he went to confront Tywin; he just wanted to make sense of it all.

spot on

Thank you DoGGz for helping salvage the thread.

hey idiot, I was arguing that he went up their with the intention of killing Tywin also. Then I had to point out the error you made in your post that, I guess, you're still not aware of.

You see, on his way up to the tower he didn't know that his Dad was ****ing the woman he loved after repeatedly telling him to send the whore home. Do you think that could have possibly angered Tyrion further?

Shae and Tywin's deaths are two of the MOST justifiable in the entire show, LOL at calling it murder.

Both were self defense, Shae directly and Tywin in a roundabout way.

Out of curiosity did Jon and Sansa "murder" Ramsey?

Yes, I'm pretty sure they broke into his current residence and murdered him after he no longer posed a threat.

Releasing ravenous dogs on a person chained to a chair doesn't count as self defense imo

Just because they deserved it doesn't mean it wasn't murder.

captive Ramsay was less of a threat than armed Shae

Pretty sure that Pyramid was an ADA nightmare with Tyrion there.

How long was Tywin banging shea? I was watching season one the other day and after Tywin sends Tyrion to KL he warns his son not bring "that whore" to KL. meaning he knew exactly which whore he was with. Maybe he wanted her for himself and that led to a lot of the acrimony when he got back to KL following the battle of blackwater bay.

When they talk at the end of season one TYwin and Tyrion are getting along "ok" Tywin naming Tyrion hand and all. Then Tywin gets back at start of season 3 and hates his guts, and it seems like a lot of it is related to Tyrion bringing Shea to KL instead of how Tyrion did as HoK

Why would Shea go with Tyrion if she was in with Tywin?

I do agree that the pure hate for Tyrion from Tywin seemed to go to another level in season 3. I never quite picked up why Tywin would name him hand of the king and then basically flush him down the toilet during the next two seasons.

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