tens,

I was about to not approve your post and pass, but then racers edge asked about the very thing you referred to 2 posts later so I am going to approve it.

Removed the link though, which was what I had a problem with in the first place.

The real question is whose couch has tens been watching GoT from?

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No links, got it

Right. Like how about something where some combination of Jamie/Bronn/Pod/Brienne/Varys/whoknows? teamed up with some extraneous character to figure out wtf was going on?

is anyone else thinking about reading the books after this season is over? imo screw hbo and 10 episodes per year.

Another take on the beetle story that someone else pointed out was from King Lear "As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; / They kill us for their sport” (4.1.37–38). It suggest nihilism, the idea that there is no order, no goodness in the universe, only a caprice and a cruelty that is not understandable by us mortals. Every once in a while GOT throws in some deep ideas.

I wish she was smarter than this. Sometimes peoples' own worst enemies are their emotional judgments. Her not taking time and considering it more makes her look really stupid.

He was the most important person in her life. She would be dead if it wasn't for him. I don't see how her sending him away won't be the catalyst for her learning all this the hard way.

What I don't like about this is that if she realizes she was wrong and tries to get him to come back, it's lame storytelling. So I don't want that to happen. But that makes the road ahead for both of them grim.

I can think of four ways Tyrion can get out of this:

(1) Jaime pays off the guards and smuggles him out. I would hope the smuggling is to Dorne and that Jaime joins him

(2) Jaime threatens Tywin ("I'll chop off my other hand, daddy!!"). He could simply promise that if Tyrion dies, so does the Lannister name. It's not like Tyrion going for the TbC made that line no longer workable. Tywin could probably get away with not killing Tyrion because I'm sure not that many people care. Cersei would go bat****

(3) Stannis' ships are in the bay!! Man your stations!! No time for beheadings now!!

(4) The Joffster isn't really dead. He's just pranking his favorite uncle

It isn't about caring about Joffrey in particular. Figuring out who was behind murdering the king should be important. The trial of Tyrion has been a farce. It is odd that people like the Lannisters, who are so skilled at intrigue, seem to accept that Tyrion did it without putting any thought into who else may have been behind it.

She wouldn't be dead if not for him. The assassination attempt was only possible because Jorah was spying on her.

I don't think Tywin much cares who killed Joffrey. I'm sure he, along with nearly everybody else, wanted to see him dead too. Jaime seems more concerned with helping Tyrion get out of the ****storm he's in, than finding out who killed his hellspawn.

Yeah, it's unclear why railroading the imp (one of their own) was more important than finding out who in king's landing had the balls to take out their king.

They're kind of backed into a corner now though.

I feel like this doesn't end well for Cersei or Tyrion. No one ever gets what they want in Westoros.

I'm going to finish book 3 after the season. I hope that's ok to say.


I don't get how you guys really didn't get the Tyrion story You guys pick up on all this stuff but couldn't understand Tyrion was metaphorically saying that there's all this senseless killing that he can't understand and grasp. He's saying that Orson was content to just killing things he deemed insignificant. But to Tyrion life is precious in any capacity. Hence him saving the bug at the end. Tyrion is the beetle here hence his empathy for the Orson story. He lives in a world where people are numb to death and betrayal and Tyrion remains loyal to his virtues to which that got him no where. He never really did anything to anyone and still he's going to get killed just like the beetle. A victim of their own circumstances per se. The beetle is powerless to those above them regardless of what they do as is Tyrion in this situation.

Nobody but Cersei cared about Joffrey, in the first episode he attacked Jaimies pride

Joffrey: "Someone forgot to write down all your great deeds"

Jaimie: "There is still time"

Joffrey:"Is there ? For a 40 year old knight with one hand. How can you protect me with that"

In the end who cares who the real killer is. Joffrey is gone that`s a big win for everyone. Just think about who it possibly could`ve been, either you are at war with them(Stannis/Starks/Daenerys etc.) or it`s somebody like (Dorne/Tyrells). If it`s your enemies who cares, you are already at war. If it´s the other ones, do you really want to go to war with them? No you don`t as Tywin mentioned that they are pretty much broke.

Is it possible that Tywin decide to save his own son by some way? I mean he is always talking about family and all and he must know Tyrion is a good asset to his name. Even as a dwarf

A lot of the emotional decisions made so far have turned out very badly. That's life tho. I think it would be kind of refreshing if an obviously bad decision didn't blow up in someone's face. Like, have you ever seen any form of media where a character starts gambling heavily and it doesn't end in disaster? We all assume Dany is gonna regret Jorah's absence, but maybe we'll be surprised and she won't. Maybe Jorah is just getting moved back to Westros to interact with the story there.

He's been found guilty of murdering the King. How could not that many people care?

You can easily argue that Robert et al would've sent someone else if they didn't send Jorah. So Jorah ****ed over Robert, saved Dany and he declined the royal pardon. If Dany believes the pardon is accurate, she knows he could return home like two years ago. From my point of view she's just being a terrible judge of character.

Tywin can't assume that whoever pulled off the royal assassination has interests that lines up with his own.

Everyone hated the king. It's not a big stretch in my mind.

I do find it interesting that Tyrion has already taken a trip to the wall and established a relationship with Jon Snow. That piece of the story makes a lot more sense if he returns at some point.

so... when a defendant wins a TBC, do the prosecutors (or whoever) have to keep making an effort to find the "real killers"? just wondering how it works with this foolproof TBC system they have in place.

Tyrion escapes to dorne with the help of Jamie and Oberyons mrs, comes back next season for revenge with an army of angry dorne peeps as the mountain has admitted the killing of the princess. Has to work that way I reckon.

This is a very surface only way to look at it.

Someone assassinated the ****ing King. It's not some random poor from fleebottom, someone had the connections to pull it off at his own wedding. Anyone with interest in the Lannister house should be very interested in what the motivation beind the assassination is.

Maybe someone like Tywin could think it really is Sansa. It's a bit unlikely because pressumably he's savvy enough to know Sansa isn't a killer. But even he thinks she did, how did she escape? She can't be in on it alone.

I've already started the audiobooks: