I'm pretty sure there's a scene with Tyrion and Cercei that leads on that Cercei was not the person who ordered the killings of the bastards. And I think there's another scene with Cercei and Tywin where they talk about basically the same thing. Tywin was pissed at Cercei for (losing control of Joff).

Rafiki's point is good, I just wanted to elaborate my thoughts.

also I appreciate your ego stroke.

lol dude the motivation for killing the bastards is one of the most obv things ever and least ambiguous in the entire show.

but have fun pretending ur just so clever u come up with super obscure theories that just happen to be wildly popular fan theories while at the same time missing the most basic plot points ever.

theories? We're talking more than one that bother you?

Bookreader,

Thanks for letting us know about what the popular fan theories of bookreaders are! If we didn't have you guys to call out these pesky "outside sources" guys I don't know what we'd do.

Bastards were killed by Joffrey because they might present a threat to him.

Joffrey was killed by LF/Highgarden so Marg wouldn't have to marry a monster.

Re John Snow's parents:
If there is anything interesting about Snow, then I think it makes most sense that he is for Robert/Ned's sis. Just think, his sister is dead and he finds out she has a child. He'd have to have both a reason to want to keep it and a reason to hide his identity. He'd want to keep it because it's his nephew and all he has left of his sister. He'd want to hide it because Robert would need to get married to bring peace to the realm. Robert doesn't strike me as the murdering babies type after how he handled Dany. Want her dead when she was a threat, but then wanted it undone on his death bed showing his true self, so I'm not sure he would murder a child by Ned's sis/Targ. Would a child by Robert/Ned's sis be legitimate? Were they married? If so, then John would have been the legit heir after Robert died. If they weren't married, he could have and certainly would have legitimized him. Robert might not marry Cercei would that be the case. I think that it would also make John the legit lord of the Stormlands, or at least a right to name the next Lord, which hasn't been addressed yet. All of the kingdoms have storylines other than the Stormlands.

Robert and Ned aren't blood brothers, only childhood friends. They are from different houses.

Yah RBK, that post was a perfect example of a bookreader being a dip****.

When he says a child by Robert/Ned's sis, he means a child whose parents are Ned's sis and Robert.

Jon is too young to be the son of Robert and Lyanna. Based on what Ned said, Jon would have been conceived while he was away at war. However, Lyanna was abducted/eloped at least 3-4 months before that. We know its about a month or so ride from Winterfell to King's Landing, and the timeline is (1) Lyanna leaves; (2) brother Brandon rides to KL and is capture; (3) father Rickard rides to KL and both are killed; (4) Ned and Robert leave the Erie to raise their banners and start the fight. Thus Ned would have to be passing off a child quite a bit older as a newborn for the child to be Roberts.

Joffrey didn't have the bastards killed lol what is this nonsense?

It's early S2. I want to say the scene goes: Tyrion confronts Cercei about the bastards being killed, Cercei looks upset, Tyrion comes to the conclusion Joffrey did it, Cercei says something that makes the views believe that's correct.

Did they say how long the rebellion was? Robert could have impregnated Lyanna. She goes to KL and ravens fly reaching Winterfell pretty quick. Brother and father ride hard to KL, taking much less than one month. One month is how long it took Robert's entire entourage to get the Winterfell. They get murdered and ravens fly again.

All of that could have happened in a month. If the rebellion was 10-15ish months long, it's very much possilble since Ned can just say he had a mistress right away. Even longer maybe, I think Catlyn only says came back with a baby. That can cover more than a year old. Even if the provocation took longer it's still possible. Is anyone going to question the baby looks 2,3,4 months older.

Yeaaa this is not a GoT TV thread

I hadn't watched ant GoT before last season, binge watched all of it, and then waited with everyone until this season.

LOL reading the books

I have no real idea of who is a bookreader and what internet theories are because I don't have the time to look or dedicate to it.

If you are going to post in the other thread in OOTV, just don't post in here.

I have no idea who is correct or not or what the known theories are.

My brother was at the doctor because his wife is about to have another kid. They don't know the sex of the kid, and when one of the images was coming up, the doctor said they should look away so they "don't see anything to give it away", which in my brother's mind means its like 90%+ to be a boy.

Give people the benefit of the doubt that they are not just hi-jacking internet theories and bookreader ideas and claiming them as their own itt to other people.

Seeing a common theory shouldn't be a green light to open the gates of aids and start calling everyone out for reading books and other sources. Let's try and be civil, but at the end of the day its probably impossible.

The war lasted a bit over a year - Cat says at some point to Ned that he rode off to war with Robert and returned with Jon a year later. So it's a year plus the time before Cat/Ned's marriage.

My best attempt at a timeline:

(1) After Lyanna is abducted, Brandon rides by himself (or with some knights, etc.) to KLs to demand her release.
(2) Aerys captures Brandon and summons Rickard to court to ransom him. Rickard rides to KL.
(3) Aerys kills both and demands that Jon Arryn turn over Robert and Ned.
(4) Robert rides to the Stormlands, Ned to Winterfell to raise their banners.
(5) Robert fights a few battles.
(6) Ned and Robert meet back up somewhere in the Riverlands.
(7) Ned marries Catelyn.
(8) Ned claims he impregnates Wylla.
.....
(9) Ned returns home with Jon.

Pretty sure (8) has to happen after the marriage, or else it wouldn't have hurt Cat so much. Thus, if you add up all the stuff in (1)-(7) I think we're at 3 months or so easily (you've got 2 trips from Winterfell to KLs, a trip from the Erie to Winterfell, and a trip from Winterfell to the Riverlands). Thus, a Robert + Lyanna baby would have to be at least 6 months, compared to a baby Ned is claiming in no more than 3 months (assuming he says he immediately impregnated Wylla after leaving Cat). I guess you could do that, but at such a young age the difference of a few months is pretty noticeable.

All the stuff itt is from the TV show? lol

businessdude,

Nah, this is the bookreader thread too.

How so?

I've seen every episode way too many times and Jonny's knowledge is way above mine. Probably not.

Lot of actual theories can be developed from what we've seen in the show. Read up to my post from last week or have someone give you their thoughts. Vix is def on board with the same line of thinking.

ok, thanks, but I try to avoid "theories"

Well, this thread isn't just to chat about amazing set design or appreciation for A+ dramatic acting. What do we talk about if not our thoughts on the meaning behind vague scenes or to postulate the shows direction?

Yea I'm fine with posting theories and am enjoying what doggz and others are posting.

If it turns out people are regurgitating online theories as their own for thread cred, then lol them honestly, if it is proven at some point they'll get banned. But reporting posts works and arguing itt is bad.

what if we listen to elaborate historical podcasts about the world of westeros?

Consider new hobbies, maybe get a pet, imo

I would like to see Drogon eat someone.

It doesn't even need to be in a single bite. Two is fine.