My best pal from Poker, AlaskanDogRunner AKA Dahmer AKA IamHIV AKA 100 other nicknames told me about a recent scam with a Foxwoods regular who I have played poker with several times. I am here to expose this story to the public aka NVG. Feel free to ask any questions here and I'm sure AlaskanDogRunner will happily answer them.

[x] Dramabomb

https://tonyvoisathief.wordpress.com/

I'm not sure if he is a twoplustwo user/lurker but I am pretty sure a large percentage of the 2p2 community has played poker with him at one point in their life.

Cliffs: TONY VO AKA TONY VE OF SPRINGFIELD, MASS IS A SCAMMER; DO NOT GAMBLE WITH HIM

Love Bookies, lost 100k Straight and won 5k and didn't get paid...

"bookies" pay like 20$/per person a month to let a player utilize a site like that. They operate completely independent from the site(the site never handles bets). This Vo dude was most likely booking your action, since he was taking all your loses. Sad how he couldn't just pay you the 6k and let you go on another 100k downswing after already paying him 100k

mods please delete pm me btw this is grimstarr

just to avoid any confusion about who OP is I want this thread deleted and I will repost the same thing under a different username. I should have chosen a better username for this account. I was contacted by a mutual friend ours who asked me to edit/delete this post and to repost it under a different username to avoid confusion as to who I am. BTW this is grimstarr. Mods please PM me if you have any questions but make sure to lock/delete/edit this thread first before you perma ban me or whatever. This story should be spread to the public but my choice of username was poor. Mods please delete this thread. Thank you

guys this is grimstarr. i want this OP deleted because of the choice of name of this account. I am only polish and italian.



my name is not my name

mods please change my twoplustwo username to like 75percentPolish or something...i don't care...as long as it's not the same as what my username is now....or just delete this thread...thanks

can mods please delete this already? LFG

This will be tldr but these things interest me as I've seen similar situations throughout my life. This one seems a little off though.

The above post is right. These sites are usually hosted out of Costa Rica and local bookies pay for the service per player, like 5 to 20$ per week. They don't have to take 100s of phone calls and keep track of it. Plus its a lot harder for a guy to try to back out and claim he didn't make the bet when he has to enter a password twice. Its highly unlikely the owner of the site has anything to do with it or even knows who you are other than the number assigned as your username. Seems like something a guy that bets as heavy as 20k/week would be familiar with. Did you just start betting sports?

A few other questions/thoughts. First if tony signed you up with his bookie (assuming he's not the bookie), he was probably getting 5 to 10% of your losses. And when you won he decided to just keep your winnings and cut you off. That makes the most sense to me. His story doesn't really make sense as to why the bookie wouldn't want to pay you the 6k. I've never heard of a bookie claiming they don't pay out because you made "sharp" bets. Hell, if you had just lost 100k over the last 5 weeks, even a halfway decent bookie would've been on your doorstep Monday morning to pay you your 6k and serve you breakfast in bed. Either the actual bookie doesn't know about all this, the bookie is just horrible and doesn't know what he's doing, or there is no bookie and Tony was just free rolling you from the start. Thinking about it, the free roll also makes sense because most bookies aren't just going to give a new player a 20k/week limit, unless he's just really big time. And if the bookie was that big time he wouldn't be sweating your 6k win. Or all this is embellished for some other reason.

Second, why would you knock off the 1.5k he lost to you another way, completely unrelated to the sports winnings?

Third, anyone know why this original thread was deleted the other day? Just curious if there were rules that were broken or what.

Lastly, why are you so hung up about your username and telling everyone your DNA? That weirdness makes me question the whole story. Maybe you want the thread deleted for another reason.

Anyway, hope you get your money and/or this guys rep is ruined if this actually happened. Do you have other texts that show you paid out all that money, and that he refused to pay you when you won? Like I said, some parts of the story seem odd.

This makes zero sense to me. Is notevengreek a famous name somewhere?

Yeah, that wouldn't work too well since you wouldn't be able to PM us back.

Ah, OK, I guess that would work, but I won't do it until I know you're aware that I'm doing so, as then you won't be able to login.

If you want to communicate with mods, in future you should try the Report Post feature (red triangle to the left of every post), as we don't read every post - in some forums, we don't read any. In this forum, I read most, so I've seen it now. You posting every few hours didn't change anything, though.

You're posting in it. It wasn't deleted; it was moved to where it belongs (in OP's defense, he couldn't have posted it here anyway).

Yeah, pretty strange.

"I am only polish and italian" lol why such a rush to get your name off here??

[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;51928534]

You're posting in it. It wasn't deleted; it was moved to where it belongs (in OP's defense, he couldn't have posted it here anyway).


There was another post about this a couple days ago, posted by the the guy that was actually involved. It had the same story as what's on that website that's linked in this post. It was deleted within an hour.

Bobo, Mods, to whomever this may concern:

I clicked the button on OP and send a report in giving my reasons of why I want the thread removed or my username changed. I don't care to go public with the reasons but I want the Mods or someone at twoplustwo to read the report, understand my request and then either delete this thread or change my username to something else. I don't care if I can't log back in this account, it's not a big deal to me. Removing this thread or changing the name of this account is way more important to me than being able to access this account.

THANKS

Yeah, you're right, sorry - just found it. Although I'd make a slight edit to "posted by a guy who SAYS he was actually involved". Not that I have any reason to disbelieve (or believe) his claim; just clarifying we don't really know. Either way, I'm not sure why that was deleted.

Reason seemed somewhat reasonable - done.

The following is an email I got from my pal around 1am last night. He asked me to post here.





Wow, hella frustrating dealing with 2p2 lately. I got banned on my AlaskanDogRunner account for a post stating something along the lines of "It's not cool that the government shut down our ability to play online poker on the sites we all enjoyed. Everyone is welcome to come play with me and others at a bitcoin poker site, which allows you to cash in and out without really worrying about them too much, you might enjoy it."

You'd think that kind of post would be welcome, on 2p2, a poker discussion forum, but nah. Can't be promoting these sites that aren't 2p2 advertisers. EVER, apparently, even if its part of the discussion. Whatever, I get it. It's fine.

I went overboard a little with affiliate links at one point, and mentioning I was an affiliate. Bobo, one of the most powerful mods, told me to stop. I did. He said ok, you're good.

He doesn't seem to be the one banning me anymore. It is someone else and they are insta-banning me, banning me based on IP, I lost 2 posts already because I tried to submit them and this mod banned me during the time I was typing them up.

What is the use of all this banning? I'm not a spammer and I'm not posting affiliate links anymore. If need be, I just won't post about bitcoin poker anymore at all. Am I allowed to participate in the forum? I don't see why I'm now just nuked on sight.

On to the topic at hand, first of all, I am a longtime known degenerate insane gambler. Of course I know about sports-betting (while also being terrible at it), bookies, pay-per-head sites, how they operate, how the money isn't really real till you hold it in your hands. I get it.

Tony's word meant a lot to me when I got the account set up. We had gambled for years together, playing many hours long into the night. On several occasions, he would need to borrow money, for example, if he ran out at the foxwoods 5-10nl and wanted to continue playing. I loaned him amounts ranging from 5-15k, and he always paid back promptly. He said that he would get me a site, that it was run by another guy but I would settle the money with him. With our history, I had no reason not to trust him.

The amounts may be off slightly, but definitely are not embellished, simply my memory not being exact on the amounts. It was close to the 20k limit, if not at it, for several consecutive weeks. Maybe there was one week that was a 16k loss instead of 20k, doesn't really make a difference. The approximate total loss is 100k. The exact win that was never paid is 5.9k.

I've never in my life seen a bookie not honor a bet that went in on his site. It's unprecedented. Maybe there's been a guy not paying and disappearing, but his PPH site link would then be down for everyone. For gamblerskingdom.net to still be up and running, is mind boggling. I'm pretty sure that it's a custom site, for just that one bookie, not a shared one like some PPH use.

If the site actually has records going back years, they could confirm all my figures. I doubt there was another customer who lost as much as me in such a short time period. The whole deal is mind boggling, I mean what's is wrong with this person? He makes 100k and then doesn't wanna pay up when he has one bad week? Like people mentioned, he should be paying the 6k with a smile on his face knowing I'm gonna lose it back and then more.

In regards to Tony being the guy and taking the action, I don't think that makes much sense. First of all, we had percents both ways. I actually had to give a percent of my winnings because he was "doing all that work to drive around and collect" (that's how desperate I was for sports action, I agreed to that horrendous condition to originally set it up), but I did eventually get a percent off my losses. I did the math out and it appeared Tony was getting some larger percent of my losses from the guy. If I won, I'd gave him 10% of my winnings, and if I lost he took 15% off my loss. So if we assume he was getting 25% on the other end, then he was getting 10% of whatever I did each week, win or lose. That would make the most sense because he ended up being pretty adamant about those being the percentages, so why else unless it was to guarantee 10/10?

Second point towards him not being the main guy is there was no reason for him to ever pay me the 1.5k, if so. Remember, the 1.5k he won (he WON, he didn't lose from me in poker) was before he talked to the guy and realized he wasn't going to be collecting 6k on my behalf. Here's exactly how it went down:

-He stacked me for 1.5k in a poker hand.

-He then immediately said "Deal me out."

-As he was leaving he gave me the 1.5k and said "Just take it off what I owe you."

He gave it to me very easily, without worrying, because he thought he was going to collect 6k for me from the guy. However, a few days later he got the bad news from the guy and, I wish I still had the texts, because he actually tried to claim it was the other way around at first.

He said "No, you owe me 1.5k, because I never collected from the other guy." I am not joking. That is what he tried to claim to me, because he gave me that 1.5k a few days before and was now trying to get it back. I couldn't believe that, when he said it.

I don't have these texts because I've gotten a new phone since then. Can you get your texting history from a phone company? It was basically all a bunch of back and forth after this, me trying to get him to explain why he thought he didn't owe me, and him giving a bunch of BS excuses.

It'd be nice if I could have my accounts back so I can address other questions members may have.

Tony Vo Scammer Tony Vo Thief
Gamblerskingdom Scam Gamblerskingdom.net Scam

^^ i dunno wtf i just read but im confused...

Right, you can't be promoting things for free. The start of your post doesn't sound like you think it's fine, but whether you think it is or not, that's the way it is.

And FWIW, you got a 0 point warning for the post you described. What got you banned was a post you made almost a week later, linking to one of your videos that was, shockingly , promoting the same site.

Correct.

Yes, you stopped mentioning you were an affiliate, but you kept pimping the site.

I what? I can't find any PMs from you, nor do I recall telling you any such thing in a post.

Yes, when you get banned for spamming, that will happen sometimes.

Yes, you are a spammer. That's why you were banned initially.

Now that sounds like an idea. Or at least not promoting the site.

Here's a thought - why not just email me so we can discuss this? My email address is in my profile. Or you could email 2+2. Seems like a better way to discuss this than on the forums through a third party.