What happened about it being the right thing to do, I wonder. Still, I believe his assurance this time more than I did last time!

2+2 Name: Pollce State http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/221812/
PTP Name: Pollce State http://forum.parttimepoker.com/membe..****e-state.html
Pocket Fives: Pollce State http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/pollce%20state/
Skype: themaninbiack
ACR: Haha poop.

Real Name: Wade Powers (listed on ptp and Pocket Fives) Wade Smith (listed on skype)
Location: KC, Missouri

http://forum.parttimepoker.com/repor...ml#post9869802

Short notes:
-Stake given on a one year term with coaching
-clearly laid out guidelines for reporting
-disappeared from reporting from August 9th until asked to close stake late on Aug 14th (after messages for updates prior)
-claims we broke a term on the stake (to review reporting at 30 days) which we clearly have not
-returned after we asked to close stake to update rail with $130 in more losses (from the non updated period)
-Our stake has clearly laid out monetary penalties for breaking stake rules, etc
-We have received $42.20, we are claiming the entire stake be paid back
-he has told us on skype that he is done talking to me without a 3rd party (thus the DNS on ptp)

What made you think it's smart to set monetary penalties in a business where it comes down to trust?

all staking comes down to trust, it doesnt mean that their shouldnt be penalties in place for breaking that trust

Is it smarter to have no penalties for breaking a stake laid out ahead of time and then when it happens argue over makeup, etc?

Regardless of what the penalties are, they were agreed to and recoverable or not, this post serves the purpose of informing backers about a horse who agrees to guidelines and doesnt follow through on them

This is someone pretending to be SNGmentors my staking site, it is not us. If you are looking to be staked and someone asks you to send them money or wants your Skrill info they are likely scamming you. Legitimate stakers would never expect a player to send them money.

The Skype they are using now is.

skype
unaited.mentors
edinburgh uk

Bad news, Muntean has once again stopped talking to me despite numerous attempts to contact him. Really disappointed here I was hoping Muntean would make good on what he owed but apparently that is no longer a priority for him. For your own safety do not stake Muntean he is extremely untrustworthy as he proves time and time again.

frankly anyone who replies to such a ******ed message is going to lose their money one way or another. It's problem.

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Staked Jose for ~10 months. Helped him with some loans over time as he was making profit. Everything was fine until the start of 2014 where he started becoming really flaky with very few days of playing. He kept promising to change things but after a downswing he has disappeared completely. He owes money to past students and now owes me ~$7500 which he has said he would repay me through a new deal.

Until he actually starts playing (he said this a month+ ago) and pays me back I will keep this post alive to warn potential backers of the risks associated with Jose.



Name: Jose Ocampo
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jose.g.ocampo
Address: tobalaba 1853, Santiago, Chile
Phone Number: 56969175945
Skype: chillskill87
2p2 Handle: chillskill
e-mail: jose.ocampo@live.cl
Screenname on poker sites: chillskill
 and potentially “Askeladd1"

Fell for this one last week also. After becoming friends and talking a lot about lots of things, i sent him $250, to be told he was profiting from the games we outlined. Managing to play these without any stats, or whenever i was online. Did it in totally good faith as i am a very trusting human being with faith in people. Guess i had my last burn now. Will be happy to recieve any personal info to finds him as i dont like the piss taken out of me.

Also, his 2+2 account is phoenix06, can that be traced or not mods?

Steffen got in touch today and send he will ship funds tomorrow so i will keep you updated on this as i really hope hes good to his word............

Name: rares cheregi
Adress: Timisoara/Oradea Romania
Skype: live:rares_cheregi
Username on winamax and 888: Sagitt4rius

I staked him for 10$/euro mtt's and sent him 1100euro for winamax and 700$ for 888. The last time I spoke to him, 2 months ago, he had 492euro's and 919$ left in his bankroll... Since 2 months ago he did not answer to skype or any of my phone calls. Yesterday he blocked his phone number so I would stop calling him.

DO NOT STAKE HIM!

I did not actually back this player but I have received multiple staking applications from him. He sent us a fake graph the first time and this second time he gave us a different screen name (than the first application).

2+2: hayrorp84
Skype: hayrorp84
Email: rodriguez_hayro1984@hotmail.com
Pokerstars nick: shark_rp84

He wrote in the first email that his pokerstars nickname = 'FishAssasin8'

Just a warning to any backers out there regarding this player.

http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2014/08...iath-14816.htm

Pay your debts.

Why do the scammers always win? No justice.

Unfortunately, the funds for bankroll and lend have not been returned after a promise and all communication has been lost now. Even after i actually said that the bankroll (apparently $100 in profit) can just be sent back with the loan and any profits he can keep to try and grind up something for himself. Such a shame i put my faith in someone wrongfully. I dont want to condemn him, but just make anyone else aware. I'm more disappointed in my own judgement!

msusyr24 please provide brief explanation of how he scammed. by the sounds of it he repaid what was stolen, and you dropped him. (aka the onus is on you for dropping him)

In nearly 2 years that you've been making claims of me being a "thief" ive never felt the need to defend myself as i had planned to completely walk away from the game anyway.

When i was first backed by you everything was great. pocarr throughout was a great experience, we made a reasonable profit (which i always split correctly and immediately) and would still to this day recommend to anyone they are brilliant to work with.
Due to personal issues i couldn't maintain hardly any volume for a number of months, you were very patient but eventually decided to drop me (due to volume).
You asked for my roll to be returned along with an audit. The audit showed that i hadn't the correct roll im my account as i had withdrawn it (which was very bad of me i did try to explain at the time the excuse is irrelevant but i had always planned to replace it asap) i promptly returned the correct roll with major apologies. You then claimed that i now owe you the full MU.
I disagreed as i felt id returned everything that belonged to you, all my mu was lost and played fairly with 100% intent to win for us both. you had even made a profit off me even with loss of mu when you dropped me.
You then decided to call me a thief a scammer and make a slanderous website calling me a thief which if i am i must be a terrible one as i never made a penny from it and returned everything.

I still dont feel i owe you anything. What i did wasn't right but all was returned, always would have been and you never lost out due to it.

Im not here to argue or debate with you. i just felt, as you chose to bring this back up that i would state my side! Im sure people will side with you as you have earned the respect of the community which is completely justified.

There is however a previous backer on here i do owe as i left him in mu with an agreement to return it. I hadn't previously ever been in a financial position to repay. I have attempted to make contact with him a week ago and will return his funds.

Il leave this by just saying i do not feel i ever stole a penny from pocarr or anyone els.

Call me an old cynic, but players generally don't have as many problems during a heater as they do during a downswing. During upswings, Grannys don't seem to die, cars don't seem to get crashed, hospitalisation doesn't seem to happen. Occasionally a player will take time out to "celebrate" (read: spend it all).

However, during a downswing, if you are a grandparent, take extra care when crossing the road and top up that life cover!! Yes, crap does happen and stakers need to be reasonably tolerant of players that need to sort out some IRL stuff. But dropping volume for an excessive length of time (usually goes hand in hand with a drop in comms too) is breaking contract, assuming that reasonable volume definitions are in the contract in the first place. If a player is heavily in MU at that time, just choosing to be unavailable to play for months can not be a valid way to get out of the situation.

Likewise, a player that helps themselves to a loan from the cashier whilst in deep makeup is breaching the contract and effectively making their stake untenable. That the subsequently replaced the amount stolen is not really relevant, they have still made it very hard for a backer to continue with them and that isn't really the backer's fault.

Finally, a response or two to player "justifications"

1. Intending to walk away from poker and therefore not need another stake is not the same as doing the right thing before you go.

2. If you win $20k, split it $10k each and then go on to go $10k into MU before vanishing, the fact that you made someone prior profit is not relevant. You signed a 50:50 deal, after the stake is complete [as a direct consequence of player (in)action] you profited $10k and the backer profited $0. The backer is pretty much getting freerolled.

We have mixed feelings on this. We are in a Skype group with every major staker and back when this happened we asked for opinions. It was unanimous that we were entitled to a percentage of makeup and we thus chose 50%.

In retrospect, we regret lumping you in with other guys who owed us money who had legitimately stolen money from us and feel the website was a poor decision. We have taken down the website and for any potential damages of that site feel we are no longer owed anything.

I am unsure how we came to the decision to put up a website in the first place as I/we don't feel you scammed us. I do want it to be clear that we did ask other major staker's their opinion before coming to the conclusion you owed us money, but the website should not have happened and for that we apologize.

settled for now

Thanks for that Alex, good to see a backer doing something respectable.

Name: Hayro Rodriguez
2p2: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/402890/
2p2 Nickname: hayrorp84

Gave this player $200 for a stake, he deposited and now I see through the backend that he has withdrawn $190. He hasn't replied on skype and there is no reason for him to be withdrawing.

Attached is his Photo ID.

settled for now

2+2: AbtruseAlan

Location: York, UK

Alan played for us for a few months earlier this year then just completely went off the grid. He owes us around $500 with absolutely zero attempt to get back in contact with us. Hoping he reaches out to us to at least get a plan in place for repayment.