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Originally Posted by demetri1978
As I said maybe you have valid points about him treating you wrong/bad. Which I am sure many here would of helped you with and discussed it with you.
But the minute you keep/steal his money you lose them. 2+2/poker community can be more valuable than being just a backer.
Not to mention, what if this guy makes a thief website? All your personal info etc all over the net.
Now forget poker, this now effects you in real life to. All over $100, really not worth it buddy. Before you say he can't do that etc, stealing is stealing. $1/$100/$1,000. Even if you get legal advise to take the site down I am not sure you would be backed up. It is theft, hence why he could make a thief website
The guy is so thick I've got my doubts as to whether he could write a hello world script, nevermind design a website.
I'm not a pro player, I just play for fun and a bit of extra cash so not being able to get backing in future doesn't really affect me so much.
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Originally Posted by acmorone
Ah, so the personal attacks levied against me/backers in general and the PMs which you vehemently deny any scamming fall into which category?
The first two PM's were not levels, more just telling an annoying ******* to mind his own ****ing business.
The third was a bit of a level, but with some truth in it. Stables do always try and intrepret the contract to favour themselves but cry about it when horse does the same. 'Parasites' was a bit far though.
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPoo8
lol i mean i know we can't expect him to be logical, but how does he actually believe that backers are parasites. Sure there are some bad backers just like there are bad horses, but a lot of backers are giving players opportunities to grind/improve when they normally wouldn't have that opportunity. Each of the parties has something the other needs (one has the money, one has the time and skills to grind) and they come together to create what is hopefully a mutually beneficial arrangement. Not that complicated.
50% cut is insane, especially at the micro limits. Maybe at high variance nosebleeds (where few ever are truly rolled for) it could be justified. At low stakes cash and SNG's? No, **** off.
A serious figure for a cut a backer deserves, assuming we're talking about lowish-medium limits...let's say up to $30 for SNG's, and up to 200nl for cash. I'd say about 30% cut would be fair here, providing horse is a proven winner which is almost always the case since stables don't often sign breakeven or losing players. The total monetary swing just is not high enough to justify a higher cut and plenty of people with a normal job could roll themselves for these games if they chose.
Keep in mind, for the deal to benefit the horse at 50%, even if the backer can put him in higher games, this would have to be a much higher game than player is rolled for himself to make backing +EV for the horse. Let's take spin and gos. If horse can roll himself for $7 buyins, but the backer can put him in $15 buyins, this isn't such a great deal for horse, as 100% of his action at a stake 2x lower is the same as 50% of his action at the staked limit, and at the lower limit his winrate will be higher because of more fish. The backer would need to be putting horse in $30 games for it to even start to make sense for the horse, and even then it's going to depend on his exact ROI's at the limits (for example if horse has 8.5% ROI at $7 limits but 4% ROI at $30 limits, he should be indifferent to getting backed or not as he's making 60c a game for himself at 30s with 50% but would also be making 60c for himself at the $7 limits with 100% of his action).
If we're talking about high stakes games...400nl+ in cash, $60+ SNG's, then 40% seems fair given the monetary swings are potentially beyond what most could roll themselves for. But 50% can rarely ever be justified unless it's some super nosebleed cash game/MTT the horse would never have a chance of playing on his own.
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Standard to keep the roll? Nope, you're a thief.
You call it theft, I call it justice.