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09-15-2014 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 22riverrat22


im fairly confident there are 10 times as many people who complain that they have just accidentally applied a theme to all tables when they meant to apply it to a specific table or table type, and that this would not reverse if "this table" was the default selection at the top of the list

for players who play multiple games it can be helpfull to use themes to keep them straight

i like omaha and o8 seperated by themes, and hyper turbo and turbo seperated by themes

this leads to once a session massive dissapointment when i accidentally set all tables to the same theme and have to re do everything so i often choose less tables or to not bother

please move "this table" to the top of the list in 7

and for a much more comprehensive improvement, offer the option to extend automatic themes to each potential variant/speed game type combination for advanced users
Thanks for your suggestion. We spent a bit of time during the redesign of the table theme UI considering how to present the scope of applying the changes, and your idea was considered. However, the team consensus favored keeping things simple for the beginner / casual player. Defaulting to this table only would make more work for most players, who generally just use the UI to design a table look they like and want applied globally.

However, we can look into making the selection sticky, so if last time you used the UI you had selected This Table Only, then that's what it would default to for you. This should help your situation.
09-15-2014 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
also when using the favorites tab, if i add a filter to my favorites it doesnt filter within them it seems it adds all games that fit the filter, id like to be able to filter within my favorites, for instance if i only wanted to see my favorited turbos because i can only play for a short time
Adding a set of dropdown filters to the Favorites lobby UI is an interesting idea, but would add another layer of complexity.

However, you may be able to use the power of the existing favorite filters function to accomplish what you want.

I have a Favorite Filter configured to show NLHE tournaments with Low-Med buyin for 6-Max tables. If I mouse over the row for that filter, several controls appear on the right - one of which is 'Duplicate'.



Click the 'Duplicate' icon and the Filter editor comes up. Simply modify the Speed section to select only Turbo and Hyper-Turbo, then edit the filter name to add 'Turbo' and click Save.



Now you have two similar filters in your Favorites lobby, you can turn off the general filter and turn on the Turbo filter, so your list of favorites contains only Turbo games.



From this point forward, you can "filter" for Turbos simply by disabling the general filter with a single click. When you have more time to play, you can enable the general filter with another click (you won't have to disable the turbo filter, because it's a subset of the general filter, so going forward you can just toggle the general filter on or off depending on how much time you have to play).
09-15-2014 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
On the Hands tab, one of the columns is called "My Hole Cards" including if you are playing Stud, Razz etc. when it also shows your up cards. You could rename this one "My Cards"
Good point, noted for developers - thanks.
09-16-2014 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaralynn
I've since gone and favorited every single WCOOP event, perhaps you could enable it such that when a WCOOP event is favorited, the corresponding 2nd chance event is also auto favorited.
Nice job with this.

Building on this idea, I think it would be helpful if you added the deadline satellites, in addition to the 2nd chance tournaments. Again I can't imagine much of the population would be burdened by the Deadline Sats, having already chosen to 'favorite' the Event.
09-16-2014 , 10:43 AM
@PokerStarsKeith:

I don't know if that's quite what riverrat was suggesting about the filters (if it was, I think this suggestion is still valid anyways).

When I first set-up PS7 I went through the MTT list and clicked the "Favourite" star on a whole bunch of different MTTs to favourite them, from $2 to $11, turbos, slow, timed, etc... When I opened the favourites tab there were about 30 different tournaments, all of which were checked. If I decide I only want to see my favourite MTTs from $2 to $5, I have to manually uncheck all of the games with a higher buy-in. It would be nice to be able to set a filter on the favourites.

Creating the filters as you suggested may work in most scenarios, but it won't work in the case where multiple tournaments are returned by the same filters (e.g. 3k starting stack, 10 minute blinds vs 15 minute blinds are both counted as "Normal").
09-16-2014 , 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerStars Keith
if last time you used the UI you had selected This Table Only, then that's what it would default to for you. This should help your situation.
that would definitely be helpfull for me Keith

if the theme, back deck, felt color, background, etc was also sticky to the last applied combination rather than set to the current table appearance when you open the UI, it would work out quite smoothly for me

Quote:
Originally Posted by krazykarter
@PokerStarsKeith:

I don't know if that's quite what riverrat was suggesting about the filters (if it was, I think this suggestion is still valid anyways).

When I first set-up PS7 I went through the MTT list and clicked the "Favourite" star on a whole bunch of different MTTs to favourite them, from $2 to $11, turbos, slow, timed, etc... When I opened the favourites tab there were about 30 different tournaments, all of which were checked. If I decide I only want to see my favourite MTTs from $2 to $5, I have to manually uncheck all of the games with a higher buy-in. It would be nice to be able to set a filter on the favourites.
ya Karter, thats the way i started using the favorites feature too, favoriting everything i would want to play, hoping i could only look at games i wanted to play in the favorites lobby on most days, now ive got 240 individual games favorited and its not practical trying to select/deselect them if i only want to play some of them.

i think we are hoping for the same functionality, to be able to only show games which are both favorites and meet filter criteria


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Originally Posted by PokerStars Keith
Adding a set of dropdown filters to the Favorites lobby UI is an interesting idea, but would add another layer of complexity.
with the easy and clean function and appearance of the hide/show filters mechanism for the main lobby, i would love to see it in the favorites lobby as at least an advanced option

Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerStars Keith
you can just toggle the general filter on or off depending on how much time you have to play).
this would work for filters which are subsets of one another, but the way ive begun using the favorites lobby is almost completely independent of "favorite filters" in fact ive not had one of the half dozen filters i created enabled since the first couple days i spent failing to get them to do what im asking for here

ive got tons of games starred as favorites at the moment, and they are the ones i will play if i am beginning a session

2/3rds of the way through any session though, id like a single click option to make half of them to dissapear; and 9/10ths of the way through, id like 95% of them to disapear
09-16-2014 , 01:14 PM
also, not showing games that i am currently playing or have already played in the late reg list would be good

or instead of removing them entirely, greying the entire row out would be nice
09-16-2014 , 01:18 PM
and i do see drawbacks to encouraging players to spend all their time in their favorites tab, namely not seeing new/special tournaments which if not seen are not played

so inverting the favorites function, to a "do not show games i know i will not play" really would be completely ideal for any decent volume player in my opinion and it would address almost/every issue i forsee with favorites

i think so long as negative favoriting wouldn't be overridden by favorite filters it would eliminate my "need" for filtering between favorites, though not the desire for the convenience of an additional option

Last edited by 22riverrat22; 09-16-2014 at 01:25 PM.
09-17-2014 , 05:09 AM
The 100% worst problem with this software for me is that it takes literally minutes to refresh the tournament lobby. I have to click on different tabs and then back to Tournaments tab and eventually it refreshes if i do this enough times.

I'm not sure if this is because of the internet connection here in Asia or it is a problem that everyone has.

I also have a similar problem some times logging in where instead of the login dialog i just get the network status popup saying connecting and have to try a bunch of times using different connections (same for both).

I am using 10mb down/1mb up connection, this is fairly typical of what i see day to day:



I understand that this is most likely on my end however i never had this problem with pokerstars 6 software.
09-17-2014 , 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex0r
The 100% worst problem with this software for me is that it takes literally minutes to refresh the tournament lobby. I have to click on different tabs and then back to Tournaments tab and eventually it refreshes if i do this enough times.

I'm not sure if this is because of the internet connection here in Asia or it is a problem that everyone has.

I also have a similar problem some times logging in where instead of the login dialog i just get the network status popup saying connecting and have to try a bunch of times using different connections (same for both).

I am using 10mb down/1mb up connection, this is fairly typical of what i see day to day:



I understand that this is most likely on my end however i never had this problem with pokerstars 6 software.
I think the problem is with the Software.. It's laggy (on 24mbps connection), takes up 4 times more resources compared to PS6 and feels bulky-- it still is a long way to go for PS7 IMO. I like the new software features, but I wish the UI/UX was lighter and more customisable.

I reverted to PS6.
09-17-2014 , 10:55 PM
A minor bug that i just noticed.I'm watching the wcoop 30 and i have the last two tables open on tile.If i press the show desktop on the bottom right the whole taskbar disappears and only the start button remains.If i click start it reappears.This doesn't happen when i have minimized the tables.I have windows 7 professional 32bit and ps7 build 8562



Last edited by Nehen; 09-17-2014 at 11:05 PM.
09-18-2014 , 01:24 PM
unsure if its related to the previous post but i had an odd issue the other day where icons background taskbar, etc< everything aside from stars tables/lobby was replaced by solid blue background, when i right clicked and showed the desktop everything was there< then when it was my turn to act it all turned blue again

after session i restarted comp and it hasnt happened again, this was 3-4 days ago
09-18-2014 , 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krazykarter
@PokerStarsKeith:

I don't know if that's quite what riverrat was suggesting about the filters (if it was, I think this suggestion is still valid anyways).

When I first set-up PS7 I went through the MTT list and clicked the "Favourite" star on a whole bunch of different MTTs to favourite them, from $2 to $11, turbos, slow, timed, etc... When I opened the favourites tab there were about 30 different tournaments, all of which were checked. If I decide I only want to see my favourite MTTs from $2 to $5, I have to manually uncheck all of the games with a higher buy-in. It would be nice to be able to set a filter on the favourites.

Creating the filters as you suggested may work in most scenarios, but it won't work in the case where multiple tournaments are returned by the same filters (e.g. 3k starting stack, 10 minute blinds vs 15 minute blinds are both counted as "Normal").
Quote:
Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
and i do see drawbacks to encouraging players to spend all their time in their favorites tab, namely not seeing new/special tournaments which if not seen are not played

so inverting the favorites function, to a "do not show games i know i will not play" really would be completely ideal for any decent volume player in my opinion and it would address almost/every issue i forsee with favorites

i think so long as negative favoriting wouldn't be overridden by favorite filters it would eliminate my "need" for filtering between favorites, though not the desire for the convenience of an additional option
Thanks to you both for your input. I think the Favorites UI will evolve a bit as we learn how players are using it or want to use it, and I'll add your suggestions to the list of things for the design team to consider.
09-18-2014 , 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nehen
A minor bug that i just noticed.I'm watching the wcoop 30 and i have the last two tables open on tile.If i press the show desktop on the bottom right the whole taskbar disappears and only the start button remains.If i click start it reappears.This doesn't happen when i have minimized the tables.I have windows 7 professional 32bit and ps7 build 8562


Quote:
Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
unsure if its related to the previous post but i had an odd issue the other day where icons background taskbar, etc< everything aside from stars tables/lobby was replaced by solid blue background, when i right clicked and showed the desktop everything was there< then when it was my turn to act it all turned blue again

after session i restarted comp and it hasnt happened again, this was 3-4 days ago
Thanks - I'll ask QA to investigate.
09-18-2014 , 07:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
also, not showing games that i am currently playing or have already played in the late reg list would be good

or instead of removing them entirely, greying the entire row out would be nice
Thanks - I'll add this to the list of suggested improvements.
09-19-2014 , 01:37 PM
Actually, I want this on Full Tilt. I don't want to play on Stars anymore.
There should be a mail for giving suggestions.

I need an auto paying staking environment. Staked player has limited cashouts and backer receiver his share automatically (weekly or monthly). There's a contract and Stars has no responsability. There are custom deal breakers, like less than 20h of play a week = deal forfeited, 25BI downswing = deal forfeited. People have limited game options, like: You can play PLO100, PLO200, no heads up (chip dumping prevention). Finally, max VIP for staked player is reduced, otherwise no one plays not staked anymore.

The weekly deal = VIP motivational mechanism.

I posted this on RiO.
09-19-2014 , 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrificus2
Actually, I want this on Full Tilt. I don't want to play on Stars anymore.
There should be a mail for giving suggestions.

I need an auto paying staking environment. Staked player has limited cashouts and backer receiver his share automatically (weekly or monthly). There's a contract and Stars has no responsability. There are custom deal breakers, like less than 20h of play a week = deal forfeited, 25BI downswing = deal forfeited. People have limited game options, like: You can play PLO100, PLO200, no heads up (chip dumping prevention). Finally, max VIP for staked player is reduced, otherwise no one plays not staked anymore.

The weekly deal = VIP motivational mechanism.

I posted this on RiO.
PS7 Software Improvement is clearly the wrong thread for improvement suggestions for Full Tilt (), but I'll pass your comments along to colleagues over at FT.

Out of curiosity, would you mind letting us know why you don't want to play on Stars anymore? Thanks.
09-19-2014 , 06:57 PM
favorites is a great new feature but it needs a couple of fixes.

i agree with 22riverat on the whole favorite tournaments thing. either enable filters for the favorites tab and/or implement an anti-favorite/"i don't want to see this" for tournaments.
your alternative using the favorite filters seems a bit counter-intuitive or just too much work (though i haven't tried it, just from the looks of it).

basically if you insert one of the two, the other won't be needed. if i can hide tours i'm 'never' gonna play, it's easy to just use the main lobby with whatever other filter i want (buy-in range etc) and that actually gives a better use of the favorites too (eg favoriting only a few specific tour types like super-knockouts, the bigs etc and not ALL the tours i may play). also, if i just go and favorite all the tours i want to see, i will miss any new tours that may appear unless i check the main lobby frequently.

+1 for the option to be able to see sng's at the same tab with tournaments at the favorites tab.

i'm pretty sure there are stuff that we could do to customize the client using the new features but probably don't know how yet or aren't that familiar with just yet. for example i have no idea what to do with folders? can u give an example how u can use that, what's the idea for introducing that?

i also agree that PS7 seems a bit slow/laggy. apart from the lag at the tour list, which is probably because of all the filtering&favoriting, why have a whole full screen vertical drop-down menu for all the settings and stuff? why hide all the lobby if i want to see my tickets or search for a player or whatever?? its kind of annoying waiting for this full screen menu to appear and hide again. PS6 had small drop-down menus for all these and a bigger screen menu appeared only when really needed (eg layout settings).
09-20-2014 , 09:40 AM
hovering the cursor over players to show their stack and location seems to work less often than it doesnt
09-20-2014 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
if the theme, back deck, felt color, background, etc was also sticky to the last applied combination rather than set to the current table appearance when you open the UI, it would work out quite smoothly for me
not in reference to the main UI, but different access to some of the same options...

i think the right click select felt/BG on table would better apply to only the current table

just seems more intuitive

if a low volume player is 3 tabling it would be much faster for them to change 2 tables to diferent BGs to then have each table with a unique theme

if im 16 tabling and want to color code by omaha variant it will surely save me time

im thinking it is likely a win win for nearly everyone if this is changed
09-20-2014 , 11:50 AM
Keith due to the annoyance of the UK gaming law, will the beta version still be available to us? because we want a UK version of the beta if were being forced to move to an inferior software service?
09-20-2014 , 10:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerStars Keith
Thanks for your suggestion. We spent a bit of time during the redesign of the table theme UI considering how to present the scope of applying the changes, and your idea was considered. However, the team consensus favored keeping things simple for the beginner / casual player. Defaulting to this table only would make more work for most players, who generally just use the UI to design a table look they like and want applied globally.

However, we can look into making the selection sticky, so if last time you used the UI you had selected This Table Only, then that's what it would default to for you. This should help your situation.

Please do something about this, Pokerstars is the best of any software but my biggest peeve is not being able to easily color code different tables anymore. Right now it takes several clicks and drop-down menus to change anything on a table and that is solely due to the fact that you have to go in and choose "This Table Only" anytime you want to change anything. Several times a session I accidentally change a background/felt color on all of my tables because of this clunky process and it's very frustrating. Allowing people to change/"sticky" your preference to "This Table Only" would be a great fix.

I also love the idea of being able to create and save your own custom combinations of different table themes/colors/backgrounds to use for different game variants.

Is there any word on when the beta version will be available for Mac?
09-21-2014 , 12:42 PM
So, was just testing some bits and bobs and used quick seat on the current PS7 beta

I put choices in for PLO at NL5 (I thought), but it put me on a NLHE 6 max table at NL2?

Tried again and did same thing


09-22-2014 , 11:37 AM
This only happens when I first open PS7. Looking at the tournament Regular->All lobby anything I do with the search box or 'Show Upcoming Only' tick box has no effect on the tournaments I see. I'm using tabs, not drop-downs on my tourney lobby. It's not until I switch a tab (from say, High to Medium) that the 'Show Upcoming Only' tick box or search box applies to the tournament view. After that I can switch to any tab and use the entire lobby's functionality.
09-22-2014 , 01:41 PM
i have no "favorite filter" enabled but i am seeing a satelite in my mtt favorites tab which is not favorited and a tournament i would never play (a 1500 chip round 1 to the main event)

i have other rd 1s to the main favorited but not freezeout 1500 chip 10 minute levels games, this variant i will only play on accident and id be very annoyed if i did

i think games that are not explicitly favorited do show up if they are "similar enough" to one i do have favorited and thats a nice aspect of favoriting usually, but this one should not be there, and there is no way to remove it


so another vote for an anti favoriting option to solve all my "favorite problems"

      
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