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05-13-2017 , 02:48 PM
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still a bit away from the money.
i shouldnt call and play post flop with 13bb? too strong to fold and villain seems to be weaker with 26/3 over 60hands. Perhaps the play was well if villain is willing to call light? standard lost flip and move on? Thanks

NL Holdem $300(BB)
HERO ($5033)
UTG ($12005)
MP ($8682)
MP ($7267)
HJ ($2019)
CO ($14870)
BTN ($18534)
SB ($4274)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

UTG Folds, MP Folds, MP Folds, HJ Calls $300 (Rem. Stack: 1689), CO Raises To $900 (Rem. Stack: 13940), BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $4703 (Rem. Stack: 0), HJ Folds, CO Calls $4103 (Rem. Stack: 9837)

Flop ($10696) 4 7 5

Turn ($10696) 4 7 5 2

River ($10696) 4 7 5 2 K

CO shows Q K

CO wins $10696
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05-13-2017 , 03:10 PM
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very standard nh
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05-14-2017 , 01:53 AM
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Standard, you did the right thing.
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05-14-2017 , 01:55 AM
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yea i would shove at your spot too.
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05-14-2017 , 06:59 AM
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You can't call and play postflop with 13bb. However, although the sample is small, it could also be a fold against such a nitty opponent. 99 is way behind a 3% raising range.

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05-14-2017 , 04:53 PM
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99 is way too strong to fold vs the cutoff with 13bb.
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05-14-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bellyfrog
99 is way too strong to fold vs the cutoff with 13bb.
99 is not strong against a nit's opening range. Theres no point using a hud if you're going to ignore the information it gives you. You can't be swayed by the results because that's information you don't have at the time.

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05-14-2017 , 08:22 PM
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It's 60 hands and he's playing 26/3. As you said, small sample plus he's playing a reasonable amount of hands even if he isn't raising a lot.

Even if he has a very nitty cutoff range of 77+, AJo+, KQo+, QJs, JTs, we still have 50% equity against that range and if he really is a nit we have some fold equity against the lower part of his range.
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05-15-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Standard... but just make sure you don't get sucked out on next time. I'm sure there's instructional videos somewhere on how to avoid suckouts in MTT's.
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05-15-2017 , 06:05 PM
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It's 60 hands and he's playing 26/3. As you said, small sample plus he's playing a reasonable amount of hands even if he isn't raising a lot.

Even if he has a very nitty cutoff range of 77+, AJo+, KQo+, QJs, JTs, we still have 50% equity against that range and if he really is a nit we have some fold equity against the lower part of his range.
The vpip is irrelevant, hes raising over a limper so the pfr is the important stat. The range you've given him is almost 8%, and against that range hero is still a small underdog. You'd have to more than triple his pfr to 10% for hero to be a fav with 99.

I agree hero might have some fold equity against the lower part of that range, but that range is more than 3x as wide as his pfr stat.

All I'm saying is if you're going to completely ignore hud stats when the sample sizes are small, there's no point using them and posting them in converted hands.

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05-16-2017 , 03:16 AM
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I don't think you can take HUD stats too literally - particularly weaker players are often not thinking in ranges and can decide to "make a move" and raise - call the all in with 76s

the fact that he showed up with KQo shows that he doesn't have a 3% raising range
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05-16-2017 , 03:20 AM
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The vpip is irrelevant, hes raising over a limper so the pfr is the important stat. The range you've given him is almost 8%, and against that range hero is still a small underdog. You'd have to more than triple his pfr to 10% for hero to be a fav with 99.

I agree hero might have some fold equity against the lower part of that range, but that range is more than 3x as wide as his pfr stat.

All I'm saying is if you're going to completely ignore hud stats when the sample sizes are small, there's no point using them and posting them in converted hands.

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Small underdog with 13bb and a hand as strong as 99 is a spot we're going to want to take here almost always without significant ICM at stake IMO.
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05-16-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Pre is good, nit against nit
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05-16-2017 , 08:23 AM
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the fact that he showed up with KQo shows that he doesn't have a 3% raising range
This is precisely why people shouldn't include results in their posts, it inevitably skews opinions.

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05-16-2017 , 04:00 PM
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It didn't skew my opinion - my experience of people with stats like 26/3 is that the 3 is usually not the top 3% and can include some pretty odd hands. KQo is the least of it
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