Where are we with 3 bet light and 4 bet light in 2017 ?

I'm asking lots of questions feel free to answer whatever you want, it may help others as well.

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VIDEO March 2016 stating you cannot expect to win a large MTT with premium's and coin flips all day,
your going to have to 3 bet light and 4 bet light as a bluff in certain spots later on
(22-27BB deep and 42-50BB deep)

https://youtu.be/dXxKoLa6LJs

If you forward to 37:45 he shows 3 exemples of hands.


Quote:
Originally Posted by dereds View Post
The one thing we should always attempt to do is have a plan,
we should know when we 3bet whether we are 3bet getting it in,
we should know if we are 3bet folding and we should have an understanding of how we intend
to play post flop when we get flatted. If we are posting on a forum
what to do when the open raiser jams over our 3bet then we made a mistake when we 3bet,
that’s not to say the 3bet is a mistake but that we made a mistake in 3betting them without a plan.




Even in the middle of the large MTT should you do this here and there ?

Do we play like that "more" on certain spots in a large MTT like the bubble and pre-final table ?
(i.e. Should it be more frequent then the middle MTT stage ? )


Also the important question is what is the PLAN?


1. Hero: 24BB (hasn't played a hand in the last 3 orbits) , Villain #1: 32BB, Blinds 800/1600, 9 handed

Do we go against an initial raiser 2.2BB and 3 bet him light to 5BB total which
is 20% of hero's stack. We are on the button with A9o and
he's an aggressif player on MP3 that played during the last 3 orbits
and played 3x aggressif.. 3 bet light a guy that was UTG, then 4 bet light the CO,
then 4 bet shove the button .. went from 16K chips to 50K .. No showdowns.

This is hand #1 in the video, the table is full of regs.

He says if villain #1 has a hand like 44 , can he flat OOP and if he see's no A,K,Q,J that he's
check/shoving 100% ? its 4500 to call for a 20K pot.

Can villain reraise shove with 44 and hope that hero folds anything that's not ATs+, AJo+ , 88+ ?
How often does villain fold here to not risk 24BB and be left with 8BB.. he says quite often



2. Hero: 24BB (no hands played last 3 orbits) , Villain #2: 32BB (preflop raises quite often)

Do we go against an initial raiser 2.2BB and 3 bet him light with A9o and he's an aggressif player
that had no show downs but his stats shows he's raising preflop 2.2BB way too much.



Do we fold to a shove as a plan for both situations ?

What if the aggressive player flats,
do we c-bet 80+% of the time about 1/3 pot or less with any flop that we miss or hit ?



Should we avoid 3 betting light certain players like rock tight or TAG that opens up here and there
but isn't abusing the preflop raise ?


Is it ever worth it to 3 bet rather then 3 bet light pre as a bluff if the table
is not very aggressive ?

Really hard to follow your post, just way too much going on there.

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Agree with Darth, create seperate posts for each question you have and you should get better responses.

I think it's worth practising all these tactics on low buy in MTTS. It all depends on the villain and the situation though. In my limited experience if you don't do it with some frequency you will not go deep in MTTs unless you win numerous all ins.

However, if you do it too much and in the wrong spots (and what looks like the right spots can be the wrong spots but let's not be results orientated) you can get 5 bet or put all in. Everything depends.

The good thing about 3 betting light though is like a jab you can get away without getting knocked out.