Originally Posted by o0psIrivrdiT
I don't go by (M) for stack size implications I use (BB) and I think 23Bb is a bit too deep to jam here pre-flop UTG+1. If it were around 17/18bb or less, yea I wouldn't mind the shove with a balanced range.
Yeah, it's super deep for sure but there are enough people with smaller stack to mitigate that concern. I guess it just depends on your table image and how comfortable you are post flop versus the players at the table. I think shoving is generally not too bad. Playing postflop is tricky with this stack size.
In theory, some sort of non allin betting sequence is optimal. So I basically agree with what you are saying. But in practice, jamming minimizes error and gets decent value. If everyone had us outstacked, I don't think i'm jamming anymore.