Haven't been at this table very long. This big raise and then the all-in reraise here have me confused about what to do here. I really can't figure what the button could have that beats me when he doesn't raise pf. J-9 suited?
And what does the BB have? As-9s? Does somebody have a set of 3's? Somebody just betting a big flush draw? A pair & flush draw. Open-end str8 draw? Could they be betting like this with worse J's or even 9's?
Obviously, some combo's of this are out there
If there had just been one big raise or all-in - I would have insta-called, but sorta confused now if it's worth it knowing I have to beat them both.
Anyway - bottom line - is my hand good enough to put the rest of it in? Am I short stacked now to the point I have to put it in?
I don't post many hands here. But when I do, the replies to my hands will often be that I didn't play them aggressive enough....or should have insta-called when I wasn't so sure I should even call.
Not that those weren't valid points at times. I do tend to be a little on the conservative style of play. And yes, after some thought I just didn't see how I could have called here & I folded.
And then I saw what hands they were going wild with....& wished I would have been aggressive this time. Would have tripled up....but I just don't see this being the right thing to do in the long run....but with these kinds of opponents....ugh.
Cake Poker, $10 Buy-in $4,000 GTD 2R-1A (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13498952
Preflop: Hero is SB with K J
5 folds, BTN calls 400, Hero completes, BB checks
Flop: (1,520) 9 3 J (3 players)
Hero bets 1,520, BB raises to 4,560, BTN raises to 15,381 and is all-in, Hero folds, BB calls 6,666 and is all-in
Turn: (25,492) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in) River: (25,492) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: 25,492 pot
Final Board: 9 3 J 6 5
BTN showed 9 A and lost (-11,666 net)
Hero mucked K J and lost (-1,960 net)
BB showed J T and won 25,492 (13,826 net)
Valid point. I thought someone might mention that. And this is one of those spots where my a little bit left of center style play on the continuim hurt me. Although of course, sometimes it helps.
I find it hard at times to pull the trigger in this exact situation. I have taken the 2 rebuys (1 before the first hand was dealt) & the add-on.....so I have around $41 invested in this.
Probably about 2 & 3/4 hours into this & it had like 168 entries & paid 27. Just getting to the money here was around $42....so I basically break even. But I also know that all these types of tourneys are heavily weighted to the 1st 5 positions (maybe even the top 3 if u really want to do well).
Where this was at....I thought I had a pretty good chance to hit the money if I folded here & just played normally after.....but of course it takes down my ability to finish high up to some extent (fairly large I think).....which probably has to be the determining factor.
Actually - I did finish 27th to cash. But u are probably right....I shoulda jammed pre because the high finishes more than make up for the small cashes & the times u just miss cashing.
I hate to invest a few hours for nothing.....and at times....after u have cashed....u can play much more aggressive or just get some good cards that hold up and finish in one of the top 5 anyway.
My tourney results at SharkScope over something like 325 tournies at Cake are pretty respectable. Not that it means I don't have room for improvement....I'm sure I have a lot of room for it..
I'm also curious....if someone was to post their SharkScope results here over a long period of tourneys with the basic stats u get when u are not a paying SS customer.....can people read these to the point where they can tell where your major weaknesses are at?
By basic....tourneys played, avg. profit, avg. stake, avg. ROI, total profit, & the ability number they assign u. And I'm just talking MTT tourneys.
I'm also curious....if someone was to post their SharkScope results here over a long period of tourneys with the basic stats u get when u are not a paying SS customer.....can people read these to the point where they can tell where your major weaknesses are at?
By basic....tourneys played, avg. profit, avg. stake, avg. ROI, total profit, & the ability number they assign u. And I'm just talking MTT tourneys.
I don't really think so. You can see if you are a winning player or not, but MTT is variance heavy so you need a large sample > 5K. Even then you could be on a heater :-)
Major weaknesses of most MTT people is probably playing with fear (scared money), bad postflop play and a wrong mindset in general.
If you want to find your leaks you should use holdem manager and another good player reviewing your tournaments.
I don't really think so. You can see if you are a winning player or not, but MTT is variance heavy so you need a large sample > 5K. Even then you could be on a heater :-)
Major weaknesses of most MTT people is probably playing with fear (scared money), bad postflop play and a wrong mindset in general.
If you want to find your leaks you should use holdem manager and another good player reviewing your tournaments.
Thanks for that. The one major weakness u mention many MTT players have, that is one that I totally exclude myself from by design. Most of the tournies I play in cost me from about $20 to $90 (I play in a lot of them that offer multiple rebuys in the 1st hour).
This is a relative thing....so I always play the size tournies that don't worry me at all if I lose the entrance fees....for exactly the reason u mentioned.
Also, I did get Hold-em Manager a few years ago when I was doing some of my play at Stars where it seemed to me almost everybody there had that or that other one (I think it was pokertracker?).
But - I'm sure that it didn't help me near as much as many others who are much more computer savvy than I (I'm older than most here & only started using computers when I moved to GA to play online poker, used to play all "live" when I lived out West - I'm also an American player so of course Stars is no longer an option for us, which is fine with me, didn't really care for that site much).
I've been playing tournies at Cake for a while now. By the way, I noticed at SharkScope that Cake doesn't show up as a main network with skins attached to it anymore...it shows it under the heading of "Revolution" or something similar to that. So is Cake now a skin of that network?
OK - one more example of what annoys me. Just finished playing in the same tourney on a different day as the one I opened this post with.
Cake - $4,000 GTD $10 buy-in with 2 rebuys & 1 add-on available (when u convert hands from Cake - the headers never include all the relevant info, actually....this site is the only site I've found that will even convert Cake histories that they supply u with).
A question here - the type of tourney I just described....do I have it at the right place, small MTT's?
Then this following hand comes up....and at this time there were 20 players left from the original 160 & it pays 18. I'm in BB with Ad-Jc. If I want, I can probably finish in the money by only playing the best hands if I get them....sorta fold my way in. But the minute I see this I know that if it gets folded to the SB who has a lot more chips than I....he is going to put me in....& I know right away that I will have to insta-call.
Especially because I've already seen him call all-in bets from other players who had stack sizes similar to mine twice b4 with K-9o & A-8o. It is about 3 hours and 40 minutes in.
If anybody is still with me (I know most folks like short posts), could u answer this question. I think at Cake Poker they allow u to use Hold-em Manager, but just for the tourney u are playing in, they don't allow you to have long term info on anybody, is that right?
Also....are u supposed to be able to bring in the HUD from Hold-em Manager where it super-imposes on to the table & gives u the stats of your opponents, but only the ones collected from this individual tourney so far?
And if so - what do u have to do with Hold-em Manager to allow it to do that? The only place I ever used it was at Stars.
I also noticed quite a while ago that if I open up the Hold-em manager program to let in the tourney hands I play at Cake.....it makes all the hand histories that Cake gives me disappear....I guess they are then somewhere in the Hold-em Manager Program, but I don't really know where.
So I never even open it anymore. If I did.....I wouldn't have had the hands available to me that I used in this post.
Two Plus Two
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and lost (-11,666 net)
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