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Old 02-08-2012, 02:37 PM   #1
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Value Bet Myself to Death

I'm pretty sure I spewed myself into oblivion.. I think I should have c/f the river.. I can't think of a worse hand that's calling me here.. Ooops.. Villain is 41/3/16.73b with 0.8 agg..

    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823132

    MP3: 4,530 (37.8 bb)
    CO: 10,990 (91.6 bb)
    BTN: 1,710 (14.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): 5,680 (47.3 bb)
    BB: 5,945 (49.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 4,635 (38.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 3,445 (28.7 bb)
    MP1: 5,585 (46.5 bb)
    MP2: 1,970 (16.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J K
    UTG+1 calls 120, 4 folds, CO calls 120, BTN folds, Hero raises to 425, BB calls 305, UTG+1 calls 305, CO calls 305

    Flop: (1,835) 4 6 J (4 players)
    Hero bets 855, BB calls 855, 2 folds

    Turn: (3,545) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets 1,525, BB calls 1,525

    River: (6,595) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets 2,860 and is all-in



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    Old 02-08-2012, 02:41 PM   #2
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    bet big on the flop ~1400
    shove turn

    As played I still check call the river.

    Don't be results oriented.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 02:46 PM   #3
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    Fair enough.. your right.. I'm looking at the end result and adjusting what I should have done to the result.. You don't think its a bit spewy with a marginal hand? Maybe pot control at some point?
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    Old 02-08-2012, 02:54 PM   #4
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    C/c the river has to be the worst of all the options. Just b/f every street given stats and I'd probably check one of the streets too.
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    Old 02-09-2012, 01:41 AM   #5
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    It's a tough hand, not sure of the odds that he has a flush here, but I think check folding on last two streets is best, not because of the flush, OTT too many combo's get there.


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    I think this is true, but the times we are ahead here with Villian calling OTT makes this a check OTR, cause we beat absolutely nothing once the board pairs up.

    You don't see too many micro $2 players staying in the hood, without a ton of equity OTT.
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    Old 02-09-2012, 05:30 AM   #6
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    Bet more on the flop, nice turn bet, c/c river. Give them chance to bet missed draws on the river.
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    Old 02-13-2012, 06:00 PM   #7
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    So we're expecting a passive player to bluff us otr after calling twice?
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    Old 02-13-2012, 07:43 PM   #8
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

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    C/c the river has to be the worst of all the options. Just b/f every street given stats and I'd probably check one of the streets too.
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    Old 02-13-2012, 07:58 PM   #9
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    bet flop for sure, but after that i just check it down.

    i think your stack is just the worst size to b/f river and going for 3 streets is bad because you are left with sprs like this + the obvious.
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    Old 02-13-2012, 09:59 PM   #10
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    ummm shouldn't be raising pre here from sb to start. so limp. Action will change so can't comment after that. But as played betting flop (sizing is fine here) checking turn might call depending on bet sizing and thoughts on villian. But can be a fairly easy fold on turn. If he bets turn and I call I check fold river....If he checks back turn I check call river.
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    Old 02-14-2012, 06:27 AM   #11
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

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    ummm shouldn't be raising pre here from sb to start. so limp. Action will change so can't comment after that. But as played betting flop (sizing is fine here) checking turn might call depending on bet sizing and thoughts on villian. But can be a fairly easy fold on turn. If he bets turn and I call I check fold river....If he checks back turn I check call river.
    +1 raising KJo vs 2 limpers is horrible here, this hand is a prime example of why. If you are going to raise this pre, raise much larger, your out of position if you raise too small you will be called in too many spots with a hand that plays horribly multi way, your sizing is much better for KJs. KJo is a reverse implied odds hand though, so if you believe they are playing any two pieces of crap and your hand does really crush their limping range, then you should be hammering them pre with a raise of about 600-700, this will likely get the hand down to only 1 stubborn opponent or you will get jammed on or take it down.

    If you just limp you can easily avoid the hand all together, you'd have a small pot being out of position in multi way pot with a weak holding. If you at least raised larger this hand would be likely much easier to play as you'd often be playing it vs less opponents.

    One thing to think about in the small blind, if I just fold one more hand, It'll be my button.
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    Old 02-14-2012, 06:35 AM   #12
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    Re: Value Bet Myself to Death

    if you're going to raise pre, make it like 650 oop.

    As played check fold river.
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