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06-21-2012, 07:42 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
About 1 hour into the tournament, no reads
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds + t10 - 7 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG+1: t4292 M = 22.59
Hero (MP): t3280 M = 17.26
CO: t7608 M = 40.04
BTN: t6165 M = 32.45
SB: t5800 M = 30.53
BB: t6330 M = 33.32
UTG: t9193 M = 48.38
Pre Flop: (t190) Hero is MP with 2  5
2 folds, Hero raises to t200, 3 folds, BB calls t120
Flop: (t510) 7  T  A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t330, BB calls t330
Turn: (t1170) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t750, BB raises to t1500, Hero raises to t2740 all in, BB calls t1240
River: (t6650) A (2 players - 1 is all in)
I know the open is a bit loose but i was just wondering as played
Thanks
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06-21-2012, 08:44 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Smaller otf.
check turn or b/f
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06-21-2012, 09:20 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Canada!
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Preflop is fine - I like playing those hands, especially against villains like this one who stack off with top pair. But once you're called on the flop, you shouldn't be committing more money unless one of your draws comes in, because you're surely beat, and badly at that. You have the chance to take a free card on the turn - why not do that?
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06-21-2012, 09:23 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Pre I dislike.
OTF is standard CB.
OTT I dislike the barrel alot. Nothing changed to substantially scare your opponent off the many made hands in his range hes unlikely to fold. But as said already, b/f should be your play because ur not getting odds.
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06-21-2012, 09:29 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foks
b/f should be your play because ur not getting odds.
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I know you mean to say that if we bet, we should fold to a raise, which I agree with, but in general I think b/f is terrible here, just really really bad. It would be a travesty to not see the river in this hand, because we have a ton of equity, the possibility of making nicely disguised hands (especially if the gutshot comes in) and a villain willing to stack off with one pair. Since we can't b/c, I think betting the turn at all is just awful. Checking is so much better.
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06-21-2012, 09:32 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikaze baby
I know you mean to say that if we bet, we should fold to a raise, which I agree with, but in general I think b/f is terrible here, just really really bad. It would be a travesty to not see the river in this hand, because we have a ton of equity, the possibility of making nicely disguised hands (especially if the gutshot comes in) and a villain willing to stack off with one pair. Since we can't b/c, I think betting the turn at all is just awful. Checking is so much better. 
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I advocated checking back OTT. Reread my post.
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06-21-2012, 09:39 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Don't know if i like pf.Make it 45s and i like it,but i guess it's obvious.
I make it slightly smaller on the flop,he's not folding anyway if he hit this flop ,275 looks fine.
As already said checking turn seems better.
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06-21-2012, 09:55 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Canada!
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foks
I advocated checking back OTT. Reread my post.
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Yes, I know, which is why I said "I know you mean to say that if we bet, we should fold to a raise" at the beginning of my post, so it was clear I wasn't disagreeing with you.
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06-21-2012, 10:50 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikaze baby
I know you mean to say that if we bet, we should fold to a raise, which I agree with, but in general I think b/f is terrible here, just really really bad. It would be a travesty to not see the river in this hand, because we have a ton of equity, the possibility of making nicely disguised hands (especially if the gutshot comes in) and a villain willing to stack off with one pair. Since we can't b/c, I think betting the turn at all is just awful. Checking is so much better. 
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Disagree that betting the turn is terrible/awful. It's not the best barrel card but when we bet I think we get a decent amount of folds and we can jam good rivers. We don't get raised often so we still get to see the river. When we check the turn we basically only win the pot the times we hit.
Last edited by V-Delaney; 06-21-2012 at 11:19 PM.
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06-22-2012, 04:50 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foks
Pre I dislike.
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As played I think you need more equity to get it in OTT. Gutterballs are still gutterballs, open ended I might consider this line.
Plus I think your line is more in line with a big hand, 24s is not a big hand.
I also think you should reconsider your play with your stacksize, there are two kinds of tilt, and this is the shortstack tilt, patience imho is best in spots like this, so just fold pre.
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06-22-2012, 04:56 AM
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Germany
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
erp dlof
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06-22-2012, 06:57 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
hate pre. pick something that isn't horrible like 56s 67s if you're opening 52s, what are you folding really?
I don't mind your barrel ott. I generally barrel most of my draws regardless of turn card but here we pick up more equity. he could fold a Tx, 99 or a better FD. checking back means we've lost the hand 70%+. but be ready to jam lots of rivers that hit your apparent range, some of which aren't diamonds. (any J,Q,K)
Edit: stoved it, nope turn is a fold.
Last edited by desperad0oo7; 06-22-2012 at 07:10 AM.
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06-22-2012, 01:36 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
no prob with pre,thats your range,no prob.I have very wide range too  ,
OTF std to me,turn c/f or b/f ..
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07-13-2012, 08:53 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Super Blind
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Re: Turn spot with draw in Big 4.40
I'm very disappointed reading this HH Ned.
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