PokerStars - $6.82+$0.68|2500/5000 Ante 625 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 7.08 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 10.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 155)
MP: 38.53 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 32)
MP+1: 57.42 BB (VPIP: 39.58, PFR: 32.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 97)
MP+2: 26.2 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 26)
CO: 65.04 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BTN: 44.42 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 11)
Hero (SB): 47.56 BB
BB: 21.55 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG: 17.52 BB (VPIP: 21.93, PFR: 9.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 114)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has T T

UTG raises to 17.4 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold,Hero?

Thought this was an interesting spot. Am still playing so I can't plug it into icmizer right now. Would def. be interested in seeing what people say.

Meh, with about a 9% over all raising range, you're not ahead of enough of his UTG range to justify calling off 17 bigs if he knows anything about standard shove ranges. With a healthy stack I'm more willing to pass up marginal spots like this.

Surely his range is capped though? TT is about 60/40 vs KQ+, 77-JJ. 55/45 if you take out 77/88. I agree its marginal but a call is not that bad imo.

Happily calling

99+\AQ+ imo

You forgot to add QQ-AA in that range. that makes it a 51-49. (range vs TT)

Here's the main problem I see with the call.

You're getting crushed by 27% of the range you assigned.

You're flipping against 53% of that range.

you're crushing 20% of the range.

That means you're either flipping or getting crushed by 80% of the over all range you assigned.

If the V had closer to 10 BBs, I'd happily snap it off because at 10 BBs, his range should be wide enough to make TT a clear favorite. Does that make sense?

I can't argue 100% against a call. It's just that IMO it's so marginal, that it can be passed on with our stack size.

Sure does - I'd be clicking the time bank on this one... ;-)

I decided to elaborate on the thought you replied to lol

You shall not pass (on this spot)

lol

Does anyone here weight his shoving range to have more 77-JJ and KQ+, AK, AQ than QQ, KK and AA?

Does anyone think he might try to raise/call off with that top part of his range instead of open shoving?

Yes on both counts - but you knew that already ;-)

GII and laugh when he shows 99's.

Agree on both your ideas about Villains range.

That is exactly the point.

so what do you think V shoving range is here PIM? I think it should be around 10-12%.

77+ ATs+

...and take off QQ+

Exactly

Maybe discount, but take off? Nah.

Usually you can just easily call JJ+/AK and then add TT, then AQs, then AQo depending on how much you think villain is capped in this situation.

Even in 2016, I saw people shoving AK/AQ for a large amount of big blinds, also 77-JJ, but not AJ/ATs. That's why I'd always prefer TT over AQs/AQ.

You see a lot of open shoving with QQ+ from utg?

I agree that we can heavily discount aces, kings and queens, and it should be a pretty easy call. I think stack sizes should make us more inclined to call as well, since we'll still have a workable stack if we lose.

In game I fold because he shoved 18 BB from UTG and I'm a nit.

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In $7.50 buyin tournaments you can't remove people open shoving the top of their range.

Super happy calling here for the reasons stated above... villains range is likely capped

Yeah - when I run this in icmizer, it's a profitable call at those ranges. And yeah, I'm def. weighting his 77-JJ and AJ, AQ, AK, suited and unsuited heavier than his QQ+. No, I don't exclude the top of his range, but I do think it's correct to weight they bottom portion more heavily.

Not a lot, but its not very unusual either