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Tricky spot with JJ Tricky spot with JJ

02-15-2017 , 06:24 PM
    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37639321

    CO: 73,710 (73.7 bb)
    BTN: 53,500 (53.5 bb)
    SB: 29,220 (29.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): 63,969 (64 bb)
    UTG+1: 21,820 (21.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 35,168 (35.2 bb)
    MP1: 29,880 (29.9 bb)
    MP2: 7,460 (7.5 bb)
    MP3: 49,520 (49.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
    2 folds, MP1 calls 1,000, 4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to 4,990, MP1 calls 3,990, SB calls 3,990

    Flop: (15,870) A T T (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks

    Turn: (15,870) 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks

    River: (15,870) 3 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets 12,000, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 15,870 pot
    Final Board: A T T 7 3
    SB mucked and lost (-5,090 net)
    Hero mucked J J and lost (-5,090 net)
    MP1 mucked and won 15,870 (10,780 net)



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    Villain just came to table. Should we be cbetting this? I just find this hand flop hits so many hands. River call or fold?
    Tricky spot with JJ Quote
    02-15-2017 , 07:35 PM
    I think the way you played it is fine - my intention with this line would be to call one street and hope to see a showdown, so I wouldn't fold to this river bet, even though it's pretty big.

    Checking flop and turn is a really big slowplay if he's got Tx. You're getting pot odds of better than 2:1 and I think there's a greater than 33% chance he's bluffing. Plus this doesn't exactly cripple your stack if you lose, so I call.
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    02-15-2017 , 08:28 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spand42
    I think the way you played it is fine - my intention with this line would be to call one street and hope to see a showdown, so I wouldn't fold to this river bet, even though it's pretty big.

    Checking flop and turn is a really big slowplay if he's got Tx. You're getting pot odds of better than 2:1 and I think there's a greater than 33% chance he's bluffing. Plus this doesn't exactly cripple your stack if you lose, so I call.


    +1
    Tricky spot with JJ Quote
    02-15-2017 , 08:33 PM
    probs still cbetting this flop.

    We have more Aces in our range and rarely they have T since we block a few T combos.

    Calling river, we have not repped our current hand at all and MP is gonna bet with a T/A on the turn quite often as they won't to build a pot.
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    02-16-2017 , 01:11 AM
    nh

    cbetting flop is rly bad.
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    02-16-2017 , 01:56 AM
    nh don't c bet
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    02-16-2017 , 09:43 AM
    I wouldn't cb the flop but im temped to call river, he might be turning a hand w no SDV into a bluff like 65s 98s j9 etc and heaps of other combos, his sizing looks like he wants folds too.

    Hes likely betting the turn w a 10, sure he may have some aces but alot of these raise pre and the weaker ones may check back river scared of getting called by a better kicker
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    02-16-2017 , 10:09 AM
    Without reads I think it's a call but I don't hate the fold.

    Think you'll see a lot of air - particularly given the range implied by his pre flop limp
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    02-16-2017 , 12:06 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
    I wouldn't cb the flop but im temped to call river, he might be turning a hand w no SDV into a bluff like 65s 98s j9 etc and heaps of other combos, his sizing looks like he wants folds too.

    Hes likely betting the turn w a 10, sure he may have some aces but alot of these raise pre and the weaker ones may check back river scared of getting called by a better kicker
    Could also be betting 88/99. Definitely think he'd bet the turn with an Ace and would bet smaller on the river with Tx. And don't think he's limping QQ/KK pre. I'd call the river.

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    02-16-2017 , 02:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    Definitely think he would bet smaller on the river with Tx.

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    Fish gonna fish - I see it all the time where they slowplay the nuts then panic on the river when they realise they got no value.

    However I'm still calling the river bet.
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    02-16-2017 , 06:36 PM
    Don't c bet. Agree with spand see the slowplay to river panic shove a bit so I think river is tough

    Check location. Those eastern euro grind house nits don't dare bluff off most their stacks this early. I'd call Canadians/Aussies/Brits/Vamoo


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    02-17-2017 , 03:28 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spand42
    Fish gonna fish - I see it all the time where they slowplay the nuts then panic on the river when they realise they got no value.

    However I'm still calling the river bet.
    Why would he check back a T on the turn in position?


    Jam preflop possibly. I mean we're going to be OOP and not likely to make money on low flops that are good for us since if they have pears they're likely to have raised pre.
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    02-17-2017 , 03:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    Why would he check back a T on the turn in position?


    Jam preflop possibly. I mean we're going to be OOP and not likely to make money on low flops that are good for us since if they have pears they're likely to have raised pre.
    Jam pf?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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    02-17-2017 , 04:17 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    Why would he check back a T on the turn in position

    I see fish show up doing this sort of crap all the time - they get slowplay happy
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    02-19-2017 , 12:03 PM
    I would bet turn small as played. I would expect the IP player to bet an ace on the flop sometimes and the sb player to lead out turn with an Ace. This get value from smaller pocket pairs and protect you from not getting exploited by a big bet on the river. By checking turn you are saying you dont have any monster hands which makes the big river bet very profitable for villain. IF you bet turn you still keep your entire range of monsters. In addition a thinking player can just fold every time you bet and barell you every time you check if you play this way. Most of the players who are not great rarely make it to the FT and you need to exploit the weak players while avoiding being exploited. Just call river, you are very likely to still have the best hand and you should bluffcatch here as played.
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    02-22-2017 , 01:54 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Davesreiberg
    Jam pf?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    Yeah I would jam into two 30 blind stacks with JJ in the BB sometimes. Look at the stack-pot ratio on the flop when they both flat. I'd pref to have had them raise but yeah I'm ok not playing bloated pot OOP with awkward stacks even HU.
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