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Old 02-06-2012, 07:03 PM   #1
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tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

Villian has been raising playing a lot of hands and c betting, turn betting a lot. Definitely a player who has pulled off some bluffs.


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $8 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11800492

Hero (CO): 208,476 (52.1 bb)
BTN: 73,867 (18.5 bb)
SB: 162,486 (40.6 bb)
BB: 253,282 (63.3 bb)
MP: 73,552 (18.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 A
MP folds, Hero raises to 8,000, BTN folds, SB calls 6,000, BB calls 4,000

Flop: (26,500) 4 6 9 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (26,500) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 10,000, SB raises to 31,855, BB folds, Hero calls 21,855

River: (90,210) 9 (2 players)
SB bets 68,777, Hero ?
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:51 PM   #2
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

you need to give more information about villain. he bets turn alot... what samplesize?... he is not betting here, has he ever c/r 3way?...
i dont hate the delayed cbet once they check twice but dont see the tricky spot once he raises (just b/f, if you think he is FOS 3bshove and embrace the variance)
OTR he is committed with any pair that is not counterfitted so just fold and forget the evil thoughts.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:29 PM   #3
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

not sure if i would c-bet otf or ott but definitely folding the raise ott.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:40 PM   #4
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

eh id call river as played, think i like turn too
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:55 PM   #5
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

Furo nailed it. b/f turn or cram with a read
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:09 PM   #6
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

I think I c bet the flop here, but if I delay the c bet and think he is that wide I like the shove ott as you can get him to fold here.

But I am not surprised I agree with furo too,
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:17 PM   #7
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

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you need to give more information about villain. he bets turn alot... what samplesize?... he is not betting here, has he ever c/r 3way?...
i dont hate the delayed cbet once they check twice but dont see the tricky spot once he raises (just b/f, if you think he is FOS 3bshove and embrace the variance)
OTR he is committed with any pair that is not counterfitted so just fold and forget the evil thoughts.
This.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:45 PM   #8
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

I will try and find another hand he played vs me I think it will help the read on the situation. I got moved to this table late and it was short handed final 12 or so here so not many 3 way pots. In my opinion theres no way this player would check any pair, set, or any part of this board on the flop. I believed he was repping very little with this suscipious check raise on the turn. His river bet was strong however. Thanks for the advice its very useful. I have little experience at any mtts above $33 so this is good.

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Old 02-07-2012, 05:05 PM   #9
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Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

One example of it, same torney, same player


    Poker Stars, $8 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11813742

    Hero (BTN): 216,311 (54.1 bb)
    SB: 80,617 (20.2 bb)
    BB: 157,321 (39.3 bb)
    MP: 234,862 (58.7 bb)
    CO: 82,552 (20.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 A
    2 folds, Hero raises to 8,000, SB folds, BB calls 4,000

    Flop: (20,500) J 9 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (20,500) A (2 players)
    BB bets 9,635, Hero raises to 22,270, BB folds

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    Old 02-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #10
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    same player same torney. I dont like the way I played this hand but its another example of his strength in betting.

      Poker Stars, $8 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11813752

      Hero (BTN): 234,196 (58.5 bb)
      SB: 76,367 (19.1 bb)
      BB: 133,266 (33.3 bb)
      MP: 253,782 (63.4 bb)
      CO: 74,052 (18.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
      2 folds, Hero raises to 8,000, SB folds, BB calls 4,000

      Flop: (20,500) 5 2 A (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (20,500) 2 (2 players)
      BB bets 17,220, Hero calls 17,220

      River: (54,940) 2 (2 players)
      BB bets 32,414, Hero folds

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      Old 02-08-2012, 04:08 AM   #11
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      Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

      I dont think I am ever folding the last hand.
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      Old 02-08-2012, 11:18 AM   #12
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      Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

      i dont see the relation to your first hand.

      in 2) and 3) het bets when someone shows weakess.
      so if you want to take these hands for a read.... since he did not bet turn in 1) he therefore COULD be strong. ones he c/r i think its clear that he is strong? if he had a draw or weak made hand i'd expect a player who bets alot to bet unless he is super tricky and knows you will bet turn and therefore c/r but that does not really fit the reads you have.
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      Old 02-08-2012, 03:21 PM   #13
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      Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

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      i dont see the relation to your first hand.

      in 2) and 3) het bets when someone shows weakess.
      so if you want to take these hands for a read.... since he did not bet turn in 1) he therefore COULD be strong. ones he c/r i think its clear that he is strong? if he had a draw or weak made hand i'd expect a player who bets alot to bet unless he is super tricky and knows you will bet turn and therefore c/r but that does not really fit the reads you have.
      Doesn't the c/r on the turn in the first hand polarize his range a bit then? He either has at least trips or nothing at all. If he had a hand weaker than that, surely he'd bet the turn rather than CR?

      I mean I'd fold on the turn. But I do think his turn CR is super suss.
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      Old 02-08-2012, 05:07 PM   #14
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      Re: tricky spot deep in 8.80 500 cap

      I think I like Tommys thinking here. I agree he bets when people show weakness. But look at how the hand has played out everyone has checked twice til the action comes round to me. Is there not a case for him thinking this guy has fk all, or at best a very weak bottom pair, if I check raise I get him off. I feel his range is very polarised to trips or almost nothing. If he had a pocket pair why dosent he three bet ( he had three bet a lot preflop as well) pre flop 6 handed. His likely hands are 10 9 suited or k9 maybe q9 suited.

      Yes I def shud have called in the 10s hand but I had only been on the table for 2 minutes so had no idea how this guy played.
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