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Old 05-11-2017, 04:18 AM   #1
Jonty5
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Tough spot in Big 2.20

This spot came up when there were around 100 left. villian is semi loose 28/10 over 70 hands opening with min raises not seeming to regard position. Blinds are 900/1800 with 225 ante. Villian has 125k and I have 80k.

Villian opens for 3600 MP1. MP2 flats who is also loose/station at 43/14. I have A3 spades and 3 bet to 10.8k from hijack. everyone else folds and MP1 and MP2 call. Flop comes

6c 7s Ac

Both villians check and I bet 14.8k. Villian calls and MP2 folds. TUrn is 8d so board is:

6c 7s Ac 8d.

Villian shoves for 100k putting me all in with 54k left at that point..

Thoughts?
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:50 AM   #2
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

Looks like an easy fold to me.

Why are you 3betting A3s?
You should have a plan up front with which hands you wish to continue.

Hitting TP no kicker here and then getting a call on the flop means villain has you beat or is drawing.

Most likely he hit the straight draw on the turn.
Another likely situation is he has TP with a good kicker and still has you beat.

Don't see villaing making this play with a marginal hand or as a bluff.

He's overbetting the pot if my counting is correct, which is another reason to fold unless you're holding a monster.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:01 AM   #3
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

Probably shouldn't be 3betting these guys light in the first place if both are loose and one of them is a stationy type player, if they both didn't have a high fold to 3b then I'm not making this squeeze.

You can also just check this flop back with a weak top pair and see what happens on the turn.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:44 AM   #4
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

I agree this isn't an ideal spot for 3-betting A3s. I much prefer it heads-up as a resteal hand. And your sizing is way too small, which entices them to call. Your starting stack makes 3-betting difficult in this spot because you'll have little room to maneuver postflop if called.

As played it's an easy fold. With the pot size and your effective stack villain has to know you're not folding a strong hand, so he's not going to be bluffing here. And after you 3b pre and bet the Axx flop he's probably putting you on a good Ace and you'll call. The guy could have so many hands that beat you here: 2p, sets, straights, even better Aces.

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Old 05-11-2017, 04:22 PM   #5
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

I don't like this squeeze for a couple of reasons:

1) The reads you have on the villains make them the wrong sort of people to be squeezing light against

2) Original raiser was from EP and likely has a strong range.

3) There's a whole load of people to act behind you. I'd prefer to do this from the button or later

4) Squeeze should be bigger

As played I'd just pot control and check this flop and see what happens on the turn.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:16 PM   #6
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

Thanks for you replies!

I agree with you all in hindsight, I don't like the 3 bet at all, as it happens coz it gets me into marginal situations such as this one.

I ended up tank calling this hand for a couple of reasons. I think if he had a better ace i would have known about it on the flop. If he had something like bottom two and puts me on an ace then again I think i find out on the flop. I didn't think he'd donk shove turn with any sets, more likely to check shove anyways.

While I was tanking I was trying to think how the 9 on the turn might have helped. To me the hands that made sense were 89 or a FD that hit the 8 both of which I'm ahead of.. Factoring in where I'd be in the tournament if I was to call and win, I ended up calling and he turned over K10 of clubs for a FD and gutshot.. I faded the river and won a big pot.

Results aside, am I right in my assessment? Is it still a -EV call?
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:55 AM   #7
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

Yeah - agree with other people about the 3 bet - it leaves us with top pair no kicker and an SPR of 2 in a 3 way pot - really in no mans land here - Call on the turn is close-ish - as we have so much invested in the pot. we are definitely mostly behind, but I don't think it's a terrible call - I just think it's better not to put yourself in this spot.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:53 PM   #8
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Re: Tough spot in Big 2.20

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Originally Posted by Jonty5 View Post
Thanks for you replies!

I agree with you all in hindsight, I don't like the 3 bet at all, as it happens coz it gets me into marginal situations such as this one.

I ended up tank calling this hand for a couple of reasons. I think if he had a better ace i would have known about it on the flop. If he had something like bottom two and puts me on an ace then again I think i find out on the flop. I didn't think he'd donk shove turn with any sets, more likely to check shove anyways.

While I was tanking I was trying to think how the 9 on the turn might have helped. To me the hands that made sense were 89 or a FD that hit the 8 both of which I'm ahead of.. Factoring in where I'd be in the tournament if I was to call and win, I ended up calling and he turned over K10 of clubs for a FD and gutshot.. I faded the river and won a big pot.

Results aside, am I right in my assessment? Is it still a -EV call?
I don't think your assumption about how he would play a better Ace is correct. While he likely would have shoved AK pre, A9-AQ are certainly in his range and he could easily go into call-down mode with those hands - particularly with the lower end of his Ax range after you 3b pre.

For your call to be a good one your read basically has to be exact because you'll be behind a range that includes any better hands.

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