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Thoughts on turn and river play? Thoughts on turn and river play?

09-22-2016 , 09:28 PM
Bovada/Ignition | $30.00 + $3.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - 50/100 - 9 players
Hand #3447400915 - delivered by Pokeit

BTN Seat 76: 4,957 (49.6 bb)
CO Seat 119: 7,018 (70.2 bb)
LP Seat 231: 10,595 (106 bb)
MP+1 Seat 477: 7,500 (75 bb)
MP Seat 329: 9,620 (96.2 bb)
UTG+1 Seat 145: 10,597 (106 bb)
UTG Hero: 7,320 (73.2 bb)
BB Seat 182: 5,633 (56.3 bb)
SB Seat 403: 4,509 (45.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (Hero) is UTG with 3♦ 3♣
Hero raises 150 to 250, 4 players fold, Seat 119 calls 250, 3 players fold

Flop: 4♠ 8♣ 7♦ (650) (2 players)
Hero bets 250, Seat 119 calls 250

Turn: 3♥ (1,150) (2 players)
Hero bets 495, Seat 119 raises 895 to 1,390, Hero calls 895

River: 2♥ (3,930) (2 players)
Hero checks, Seat 119 bets 5,128 [all in], Hero calls 5,128

Final Pot: (14,186) (2 players)
Spoiler:
(1,890) Seat 119 shows 9♠ A♠ (high card, Ace) -7,018
(16,378) Hero shows 3♦ 3♣ (three of a kind, Threes) +7,168


Thoughts on turn and river play? I kept the flop and turn bet sizing small to keep villain in with the majority of his range.
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09-22-2016 , 10:22 PM
I like how you played the hand, like how you kept him in with a lot

I guess if you bet a lil more pf, and OTF you could of RRAI OTT if we felt the need to move a lil quicker

Im praticing some ranging does this look good as the range that would RR OTT

https://gyazo.com/2d6621ef0c943fc154af5a2d7f20e7d4


Preflop flat range CO vs UTG (now i dont know maybe i went too low with SCs so my final ranges will be bad) (basically i assumed player would RR top of range, not sure if he's balanced and does that with bottom too, he has enough BBs but i left in bottom range)

https://gyazo.com/ac5c40c878efbed95e638901b5e90e28


OTF = https://gyazo.com/1ee816dce32fbed8bc7b7ea2b61d85a8

Last edited by OutTaGetMe; 09-22-2016 at 10:31 PM.
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09-22-2016 , 10:43 PM
Woops. In the OP I meant to say that he flop cbet was meant to be a cheap way to take down the pot in case he totally air balled. The turn sizing was meant to keep him in the pot.

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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
I like how you played the hand, like how you kept him in with a lot

I guess if you bet a lil more pf, and OTF you could of RRAI OTT if we felt the need to move a lil quicker

Im praticing some ranging does this look good as the range that would RR OTT

https://gyazo.com/2d6621ef0c943fc154af5a2d7f20e7d4


Preflop flat range CO vs UTG (now i dont know maybe i went too low with SCs so my final ranges will be bad) (basically i assumed player would RR top of range, not sure if he's balanced and does that with bottom too, he has enough BBs but i left in bottom range)

https://gyazo.com/ac5c40c878efbed95e638901b5e90e28


OTF = https://gyazo.com/1ee816dce32fbed8bc7b7ea2b61d85a8
The trun raising range looks pretty good, although I don't see any random bluffs in there. You usually want to include those.

As far as a good CO calling range, I usually build my range from the 10x and 20x rules of thumb. Barring other factors, I'll almost always flat 22-99 with 10x implied odds. For suited connectors, I'm usually flatting 45suited-QJsuited with 20x implied odds. For suited one gappers 57suited-Q10 suited I usually want 30x implied odds. I use that as a baseline. Bigger pairs, bigger suited broadways, other broadways etc. are mostly a judgment cal as to how/if I play.
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09-23-2016 , 03:13 AM
fold pre, check flop, bet turn bigger
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09-23-2016 , 12:39 PM
1. Folding pre may be warranted in some aggressive games and/or with a smaller stack. But here my opponents were playing pretty straightforward pre and many of the players yet to act were fit or fold on the flop.

2. Checking this flop is super-weak. Betting allows villain to fold his air balls, prevents him from bluffing in a spot where we really can't call, and also has the added bonus of preventing him from taking a free card to hit a random overcard that kills our hand.

3. A bigger turn bet does have some merit, but a smaller one accomplishes several things. It keeps him in with almost all of his showdown value hands and gives him a chance to float or bluff right there.
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09-23-2016 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Win2014WSOP
1. Folding pre may be warranted in some aggressive games and/or with a smaller stack. But here my opponents were playing pretty straightforward pre and many of the players yet to act were fit or fold on the flop.

2. Checking this flop is super-weak. Betting allows villain to fold his air balls, prevents him from bluffing in a spot where we really can't call, and also has the added bonus of preventing him from taking a free card to hit a random overcard that kills our hand.

3. A bigger turn bet does have some merit, but a smaller one accomplishes several things. It keeps him in with almost all of his showdown value hands and gives him a chance to float or bluff right there.
Sounds like you're not really open to criticism and you think you played the hand perfectly?
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09-23-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
Sounds like you're not really open to criticism and you think you played the hand perfectly?
I invite differing view points. That's why I made the thread. But I need reasons for the alternate line. Not just conclusions.

Also, if someone disagrees with my rationale, fine. But, again, tell me why...
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09-23-2016 , 03:00 PM
FWIW you played the hand fine, villain played the hand terribly
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