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07-23-2017 , 08:28 AM

BicycleRepairMan

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 359

Should I 4 bet pre or ok to flat?Is this just a call down all the way?or can you raise somewhere?If he had AA,KK would he check back the turn?even after i call turn with the two Js there would AA/KK check back on river?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (40/80 blinds, 8 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37797524

BB: 7,177 (89.7 bb)
Hero (UTG): 15,380 (192.3 bb)
MP: 8,458 (105.7 bb)
CO: 11,294 (141.2 bb)
BTN: 9,092 (113.7 bb)
SB: 10,210 (127.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to 240, MP raises to 560, 4 folds, Hero calls 320

Flop: (1,288) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets 580, Hero calls 580

Turn: (2,448) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets 1,371, Hero calls 1,371

River: (5,190) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets 5,939 and is all-in, Hero folds

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07-23-2017 , 08:46 AM

Darth_Maul

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

Don't 4b pre, you'll just fold out the lower part of his range (if there is one) and get 5b by the top.

Tough spot post on the undercard flop but since you're 100bb deep effective, folding to that kind of action isn't terrible. He would have to play AK/TT this way for it to be a call, and without a read it would be very difficult to give him credit for those hands here. Besides, even AKhh gets there on the river.

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07-24-2017 , 02:19 AM

nonsimplesimon

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 10,011

Nice,

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07-24-2017 , 05:26 AM

daviid

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,639

looks fine, def not 4betting pre either. its kind of a weird spot because you should have a lot more Jx hands in your range than him so his line doesn't make a lot of sense. i am tempted to call down, would probably do so if the fd didnt get there.

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07-24-2017 , 12:24 PM

Kev1498

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Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 290

You can for sure call if the heart draw missed, but when that gets there you beat close to nothing. Nice fold.

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07-25-2017 , 03:40 AM

Glaciem

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

played it fine tbh.

Could raise on flop but i like it

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07-25-2017 , 07:47 PM

killer_kill

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Originally Posted by Kev1498

You can for sure call if the heart draw missed, but when that gets there you beat close to nothing. Nice fold.

So you "for sure call if the heart draw missed" when you have an "overpair" for 100 blinds? River seems like a trivial fold almost always which means we should likely be folding turn some of the time. What can he be bluffing if hearts miss river that play like this? AKhh/AQhh/KQhh or maybe just a total random spazz out I guess.

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