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T8s BB Free Flop 4-way A97 - What do we do? T8s BB Free Flop 4-way A97 - What do we do?

07-21-2017 , 07:21 PM
    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (700/1,400 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 44,672 (31.9 bb) H:47 V: 13 P: 9 3b: 19
    Hero (BB): 48,026 (34.3 bb)
    UTG+1: 38,230 (27.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 140,302 (100.2 bb) H:90 V:36 P:3 3b: 6.9
    MP1: 26,643 (19 bb)
    MP2: 17,468 (12.5 bb)
    MP3: 22,520 (16.1 bb)
    CO: 15,776 (11.3 bb)
    BTN: 46,445 (33.2 bb) H:411 V: 46 P: 19 3b: 12.8 - 40% (8/20) bet in limp pot IP

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T 8
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 1,400, 4 folds, BTN calls 1,400, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: (6,500) 9 7 A (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN bets 2,800, SB folds, Hero calls 2,800, UTG+2 folds


    Torn between raising and calling here. Our stack is too big to just jam and kind of too small to play multiple streets effectively. Mathematically I can't fold even vs a set of 99/77. I thought about raising with every intention of calling an all in or pushing on turn regardless of what came. Not convinced that is such a great play either. So what line do you choose?

    Turn: (12,100) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets 8,067, Hero folds


    Does anyone do something different turn and why? I ran it though flopzilla and I don't think we can mathematically call. It's real hard to factor in some potential missed diamond draws double barreling that we are now beating. Other than that we don't get the right price vs an Ace or Set as he bets much bigger turn. He also suffers from all the same problems we do but I guess it could be different IP and being the aggressor.
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    07-21-2017 , 09:13 PM
    On the flop I can see raising being a good play because you can fold him off made hands, but what hand does villain bet 4 ways and fold to a reraise. The only thing is a bad flush draw, but I don't think villain bets those on the flop. So I think I call and try to improve and fold the turn when we go unimproved to a big bet.
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    07-21-2017 , 09:33 PM
    The guy could have such a wide range there. But I'm not sure why you're willing to get it in on the flop. You have an OESD with a backdoor FD but 2 of your straight outs complete a diamond flush. Not exactly a great spot to be putting 34bb in the middle.

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    07-21-2017 , 09:43 PM
    I think you played it fine
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    07-21-2017 , 10:21 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    The guy could have such a wide range there. But I'm not sure why you're willing to get it in on the flop. You have an OESD with a backdoor FD but 2 of your straight outs complete a diamond flush. Not exactly a great spot to be putting 34bb in the middle.
    Oooo I think my 2 outs completing the flush is a good point that I haven't spent enough time thinking about in regards to my call.

    The argument for raising is becauuuse he has such a wide range. You get a ton of fold equity + draw equity and thats what makes it profitable. The issue is that you can't close the action with an all in which gives him the opportunity to call and then it gets weird on turn with diminishing draw equity if you miss. By calling you are just playing straight math and no real way of knowing if you'll get paid more when you hit.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kev1498
    On the flop I can see raising being a good play because you can fold him off made hands, but what hand does villain bet 4 ways and fold to a reraise. The only thing is a bad flush draw, but I don't think villain bets those on the flop. So I think I call and try to improve and fold the turn when we go unimproved to a big bet.
    I think he could bet any Ace, K9, Q9, J9, T9, JT, FD, I wouldn't rule out T8, 86, 65 either.

    With his turn bet, I could see AJ, AT, A8, A6, T9, J9, all wanting to bet bigger and pick up the pot. He'd surely bet bigger on flop with A9 A7 97 and occasionally when 99 77 are in his range.
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    07-22-2017 , 06:07 AM
    I would play it the same as you OP.
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    07-22-2017 , 06:16 AM
    I think it's a bad spot to raise flop because V's range is pretty strong - and passive players will often not let go of middling made hands however you play it. Fine as played imo
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