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Old 06-17-2012, 02:45 PM   #1
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Sunday Storm Hand

No Limit Holdem Tournament
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$5.00+$0.50

Stacks:
UTG (2,870) 19bb
UTG+1 (10,730) 72bb
MP1 (4,255) 28bb
MP2 (7,149) 48bb
MP3 (4,859) 32bb
Hero (CO) (4,247) 28bb
BTN (6,324) 42bb
SB (10,366) 69bb
BB (4,669) 31bb

Blinds: 75/150

Pre-Flop: (225, 9 players) Hero is CO 7 A
5 folds, Hero raises to 355, 2 folds, BB calls 205

Flop: Q K A (785, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 389, BB calls 389

Turn: 9 (1,563, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: 9 (1,563, 2 players)
BB goes all-in 3,925, Hero folds

Final Pot: 1,563

BB wins 5,488 (net +819)

Hero lost 744

good/bad fold?
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:46 PM   #2
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$5.00+$0.50

Stacks:
UTG (2,870) 19bb
UTG+1 (10,730) 72bb
MP1 (4,255) 28bb
MP2 (7,149) 48bb
MP3 (4,859) 32bb
Hero (CO) (4,247) 28bb
BTN (6,324) 42bb
SB (10,366) 69bb
BB (4,669) 31bb

Blinds: 75/150

Pre-Flop: (225, 9 players) Hero is CO 7 A
5 folds, Hero raises to 355, 2 folds, BB calls 205

Flop: Q K A (785, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 389, BB calls 389

Turn: 9 (1,563, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: 9 (1,563, 2 players)
BB goes all-in 3,925, Hero folds

Final Pot: 1,563

BB wins 5,488 (net +819)

Hero lost 744

good/bad fold?
forgot to add. has very few hands of him. tracker shows hes a 29/0/0.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:27 PM   #3
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

Hand looks fine to me. I'd still go at least 400 pre without the antes, but otherwise I play the hand pretty much the same. TPBK isn't enough to bet several streets or put your tourney life on the line with readless against a loose/passive donk.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:46 PM   #4
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Hand looks fine to me. I'd still go at least 400 pre without the antes, but otherwise I play the hand pretty much the same. TPBK isn't enough to bet several streets or put your tourney life on the line with readless against a loose/passive donk.
thanks for ur opinion sir. But in this case, the kicker doesnt really matter since the 9 paired up and the king is on board. its just a case of whether top pair is good enough?

think id narrow hands that beat me to 10-J and a-9. Otherwise i think im beating most of his range(air/mid pair turned into bluffs). and its really weird given the line i took that he decides to shove river, dont he want to get value for his hand if he does indeed have a strong hand?
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:23 AM   #5
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

I think I would barrel the turn as well, river is ughhh, prolly a fold
there's two kinds of fish: those who overbet 3x the pot on the river with stone cold nuts and those who overbet 3x on the river with a pure bluff because you checked the turn so you can't have the ace lol. You have to know which one he is.
It is tempting to call, but really we'll be putting our tournament life to risk and I don't see a hand we're beating apart from a bluff (which I think he's on) or another baby Ax
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:14 AM   #6
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I think I would barrel the turn as well, river is ughhh, prolly a fold
there's two kinds of fish: those who overbet 3x the pot on the river with stone cold nuts and those who overbet 3x on the river with a pure bluff because you checked the turn so you can't have the ace lol. You have to know which one he is.
It is tempting to call, but really we'll be putting our tournament life to risk and I don't see a hand we're beating apart from a bluff (which I think he's on) or another baby Ax
my sentiments exactly. make no sense to overbet stone nuts when i check back turn. was very tempted to call.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:17 PM   #7
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thanks for ur opinion sir. But in this case, the kicker doesnt really matter since the 9 paired up and the king is on board. its just a case of whether top pair is good enough?

think id narrow hands that beat me to 10-J and a-9. Otherwise i think im beating most of his range(air/mid pair turned into bluffs). and its really weird given the line i took that he decides to shove river, dont he want to get value for his hand if he does indeed have a strong hand?
I'm a ma'am, not a sir. But no worries.

I'm not sure why you don't think he can have AK/AQ, a lot of people will flat with those pre from the blinds (especially AQ).

In any event the action strongly suggests you're behind, but I can see why his weird line might have made you want to call. I just don't think a loose/passive donk shows up here with anything you beat very often. Overbet OTR is his way of trying to get value after he checked the turn and you checked behind.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:26 PM   #8
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

Check the flop. It's hard for him to really call worse and he can bet air ott when we check plus we're IP.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:07 PM   #9
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Check the flop. It's hard for him to really call worse and he can bet air ott when we check plus we're IP.
no offense. but i dont like this.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:26 PM   #10
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Check the flop. It's hard for him to really call worse and he can bet air ott when we check plus we're IP.
I think the board's too wet. I love checking back weak pairs of aces in similar situations, but I'd b/f this texture.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:35 PM   #11
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

If we're only basically getting one street of value, why not make it the turn so his air can possible barrel. How is the board wet? We're worried about a T/J? He can't really call much worse besides like KJ/KT I guess so why fold out his air?

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Old 06-19-2012, 04:51 PM   #12
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

AKQ is wet in my books. We're getting value from way more than just KT/KJ against a random in the storm. I don't think there's a K or Q in his range that he's folding to our cbet because if he's loose-passive enough to defend his bb with Q/rag or K/rag he's not folding to our cbet. I'm v-betting planning to b/f again on some dry turns.

Inducing might not be fantastic because our non-cbet on a flop that spiked our range is suspicious as ****. Fwiw I barely even disagree with you.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:00 PM   #13
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

Why does it spike our range? We opened in the CO so I'd assume his range is going to miss this flop some of the time and have a lot of SD value hands. I guess I'd add that pot control in a spot like this isn't too bad given that if we bet we're done w/the hand and negate our hand value. If it smashes our range to villain then why would he call with Qx assuming Qx isn' QJ/QT?
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:17 AM   #14
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no offense. but i dont like this.
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Dude, Killer is pretty good, so why not like it a little more

Wanted to ask you guys what the bottom of your opening range is for CO?
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:57 AM   #15
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Re: Sunday Storm Hand

Pre I usually don't open from CO w/ our stack size (don't wanna stupidly squander it before resteal play starts) this marginal a hand w/o antes, but w/e.

WP otherwise for sure.

I CB the flop sometimes, check back others, either works iyam (and the effectiveness of either probably depends largely on reads).
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