cause kiran'snit is betting so thin here or cause kiran'smaniac is bluffing a ton

then why havent you answered a single question abou what you gain value from?

Either:

A. You get value from his whole range because your range is so polarized and you will have air a lot, and knowing that, ssnyc has to call with his whole valuerange otr.

or

B. You get no value, but you still have to c/r/f to balance out your river airs.

The problem here is that being a variance nit, ssnyc is betting way to tight otr, which might make river a bet/fold. But I'm smacking ssnyc up in AIM, so that he will thin more rivers and make our c/r/f optimal. He should really never ever check back a value hand otr vs a regular here.

Looks to me like SSMTT has a lot to learn about river play.

i think you are overthinking a very simple spot


i also think that the balancing is a wasted effort because hes not really ever going to get a line on what you c/r with because his sample for looking up your c/r's will still be so small even in 10 years if you continue to play at the same volume that it wont have much effect

balance is obviously important, but not when the situation isnt going to come up against the same people repeatedly

interesting. prca i'm starting to see where you're coming from, but a c/r takes a whole lot of metagame into consideration, which will be very situation/player dependant obv.

sent you a pm btw.

Yes, you're right about the life long sample size being irrelevant. BUT! When he makes the decision on wether or not to look up your c/r, he needs to take into consideration not only the real life long sample size, but your RANGE over an INFITE samples. This is why you ALWAYS have to balance against good thinking players like that mod over here.

/rant

Responded to swede's PM!

ok that is definitely an interesting, and if you think in his mind that your range is polarized to air when you c/r the river in situations like this then i guess you are right. i was just assuming he wouldnt be ranging you this way automatically

Not unless he knows who you are. If you are a random to him, you should probably bet/fold river.

The river check back with 2 pair/top pair hands and missing value there really makes me not want to go for the check-raise that often.

I think you're also forgetting that unless we decided to tool out, our river check-raising range is never going to be air. What hands are we leading 2 streets and check-raising the river with on this board? Some flush draws is about it, and even any Ax or 6x FD has improved by the river. It's really hard to have a polarized river check-raising range when we have very little air in our range to begin with. I don't think people (especially ones with a brain, which is what ssync presumably feels about us here) randomly 2-barrel lead into limped pots without something, so our river c/r range is weighted towards non-air.

I know who swede is and expect him to play pretty well in that spot

At first I was confused but perca is slowly blowing my mind ITT...

I def understand what perca is trying to say but I don't think ssnyc is ever calling a c/r without a 6, whereas if you bet again he will call with some 2 pair combs and he'll never bluffraise you OTR anyway.

By checking yeah we allow him to fire some missed combo draws or something but I just don't see how we can c/r for value when he's never calling with worse (I mean if we check to him is he bet/calling A8 even?), c/r/c is awful for reasons already stated.

And vekked is definitely correct, it's highly unlikely we have air here, ssnyc knows who we are and we're not getting to the river like this without a good made hand or a big combo draw so there's little air in our range at this point, this whole thread is blowing my mind but im terrible so idk

edit: i mean i've never played with ssnyc before but i don't think its in his nature to be making hero calls or big bluffs in limped pots in the first level of a turbo

Mods, delete this thread in like 12 hours plz?

Yes, this thread is too good.

Vekked, if you never c/r bluff here, you are lacking an important piece in your game.

get on aim *******.