general assumptions without an explanation is a pretty hefty mistake imo

lol? this is such a stupid argument. the biggest mistake would be not maximizing our EV. and we can't profitable b/c here. but not betting would be criminal. this is such an easy b/f.

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I think this is well put...I doubt I bet thin here vs Swede if he checks river...I probably happily take showdown with all of my two pair hands so if I bet it is complete air or the nuts...as others have stated I tend to play my draws hard on earlier streets so you would have heard from combos already. Also I doubt I stab with a missed draw if checked to since the pot is so small and I think Swede turns a lot of hands into bluff catchers when he checks

Well so this makes a c/r very bad as well obv. So there's only the decision between b/f and b/c and if you are not bluffraising that river insanely often it should be a really easy b/f on his part.

yeah I see no way he gets value with a C/R...

I think YouCantEscape has it.

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Then why not let him stab, do the c/r with room left to bail?

Also, bet/calling is sososo much worse than c/ring, he's never raising you as a bluff, and his value range is super thin, you're prolly not much more than breakeven against it. It is also so thin that you are almost always only gonna get in one bet in otr if you lead. By checking it, you balance your weak showdown checks, you make him stab miss/air some % of the time, and you pretty much force him to valuebuet relatively thin. Also, he's never going to exploit your c/r/f ever ever.

what hands is ss betting river and calling a c/r? most 2 pair hands raise the turn or the flop. the only value from checking i see is letting him bluff but in that case c/r=c/c, outside of c/r feels like you owned him harder and you can make fun of him on aim or something.

and as far as balancing your river check range, meh, donkaments, not all that necessary imo.

basically i think we rep a bluff better by leading big and not by c/r, dont think he is bet/calling Axss or even 75 or w/e

and i think c/r with a non-polarized range here is pretty thin/bad given that there is no/not enuf value.

i think c/r/f river is spew if you just see this hand and dont care about meta game (ie large field unknown opponent)
the range he can call a c/r that we beat is prolly very small as played, maybe even just 85. he plays all his other two pairs/sets more aggressive on flop/turn.
if i decide to check its only to induce a bluff from a missed draw, and there are some out there and not to c/r/f

LOL at c/r river ever being spew. It doesn't really matter if he folds every time, if you can c/r river and get respect you're gonna own him every time anyway. I think of it as balancing with the top of my range.

What are you getting value from w/ a check-raise though?