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Old 10-06-2009, 02:51 AM   #1
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Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

First hand at this table. I think flop/turn is ok, but let me know if you don't agree. Best river line?

Poker Stars $70+$7 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 4 players
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vcwhr666 (BTN): t3000 M = 100
Hero (SB): t2860 M = 95.33
kiran'sdad (BB): t3000 M = 100
mjsecret (CO): t3000 M = 100

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with 4 4
mjsecret calls t20, 1 fold, Hero calls t10, kiran'sdad checks

Flop: (t60) 4 8 7 (3 players)
Hero bets t40, kiran'sdad calls t40, mjsecret folds

Turn: (t140) A (2 players)
Hero bets t100, kiran'sdad calls t100

River: (t340) 5 (2 players)
Hero?
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Old 10-06-2009, 05:52 AM   #2
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

good hand to post

its no set, its no flopped two pair, prolly no spade draw, maybe a hand like K6 or 85o that peels one OTF and gets implied odds OTT


river looks like bet/fold or c/c , i doubt ssync turns a busted draw into a bluff here and his two pairs should have raised on the flop
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:06 AM   #3
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

My best guess would be Aces up. Seen the fact that ssync is sometimes bluff happy and the fact that he probably has hit some kind of pair on this board I take a bet 185 / call line. 6x is such a small part of his range. Why do you want to bet/fold Furo?
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:11 AM   #4
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

because i think ssync plays a flush draw more aggressive (especially with 2 overs which is likely here) and this leaves more pair + draw combinations like 6x and 5x in his range

river is a good card to get value thou if he got two pair
thats why i see value in betting here as well and folding because i dont see him raising with a hand like 85 if we bet the river strong. i would not expect him at least.

Aces up.. hmm.. maybe, looks more like a pair + draw thing.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:31 AM   #5
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

I agree with furo, maybe a mediocre spade draw is in his range too...
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:50 AM   #6
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

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because i think ssync plays a flush draw more aggressive (especially with 2 overs which is likely here) and this leaves more pair + draw combinations like 6x and 5x in his range

river is a good card to get value thou if he got two pair
thats why i see value in betting here as well and folding because i dont see him raising with a hand like 85 if we bet the river strong. i would not expect him at least.

Aces up.. hmm.. maybe, looks more like a pair + draw thing.
6x in his range OTR would be something like 86s, 4c6c? You would expect ssync to raise OTT if he had an OESD + club flush draw to go with it, so I don't see Tc6c or 9c6c in his range; all other T6s and 96s are probably gone OTT. And I don't see him calling with Jc6c, Qc6c, Kc6c OTF that often. My conclusion: 6x isn't a huge part of his raising range OTR, which is why I bet/call. My bet moreover will be somewhat on the smaller size to look weak, in the hope that ssync raises.
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:02 PM   #7
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

i think hes checking back most everything here except 2 pr +, my guess is he has a strong 8.

betting for value > c/r

turn timing would be something id feel out too. did he think before called turn or just snap or what?

im never folding here vs him ever, and i suggest the same to you if he knows who you are.
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

Seems like the easiest bet/fold river ever?
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lol...no way id bet fold here vs him. bet call > bet fold

i cant see what sixes make sense.
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lol...no way id bet fold here vs him. bet call > bet fold

i cant see what sixes make sense.
Kiran'sNit doesn't raise river here without a 6.
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:12 PM   #11
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

wtf @ bet folding here?
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:16 PM   #12
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

would ssync raise 66/55 pf? Don't know much about his play, but seems like 66/55 would be a way to play this hand. Any bigger pp he'd probably popped it up pf. As played i would bet/fold as well.
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Re: Stars $77 6max turbo, simple(?) river spot vs. ssnyc

Is this thread real?
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Is this thread real?
my initial reaction as well, then i assumed OP was wondering if betting was better than c/c...

im not sure.

what i am sure of tho, is that betting is superior to checking, cause SS is a payoff wizard, get out the book!
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