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07-20-2017 , 04:28 PM

touchmyflop

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Hand I just played from $5.50 micro-millions PKO $100k gtd.
Blinds 500/1000 ante 125. 9 handed.

Hero UTG (26.2k) Raise to 2200 (K

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MP calls 2200
folds
Villain BB calls 2200

Flop (8225) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 3580, MP folds, BB calls 3580.

Turn (15385) A

BB checks, Hero checks.

River (15385) Q

BB bets 5245, Hero....

What's the best play here?

Also if you think I can play the hand better on any street, I would appreciate the feedback.

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07-20-2017 , 06:15 PM

Captain-Hindsight

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I would bet turn, flop could be bigger. as played call

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07-20-2017 , 06:23 PM

killer_kill

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Bet a bit more on the flop prob. I guess just fold river, he can't have many bluffs and we massively block KJ and KT for missed draws.

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07-20-2017 , 11:22 PM

Afteryastack

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I dont see what we beat on the river other than a bluff. As played fold river.

Flop def needs to be bigger - 6k or around that mark to setup a turn shove.

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07-20-2017 , 11:27 PM

Captain-Hindsight

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We're getting 4:1 and after checking turn and the Q otr it looks like a very tempting spot to bluff

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07-20-2017 , 11:46 PM

Afteryastack

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I know odds are good, but what can villain have called with on the flop which they are now bluffing with on the river? A pair between 55-99 i guess but thats probably it .

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07-21-2017 , 05:20 AM

Glaciem

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even with 4-1 what hands are you beating compared to what we lose to?

We lose to all Qx, Ax, all spades, 53,44,22 all other hands we beat would check with s/d value like 99,TT, JJ etc

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07-21-2017 , 06:04 AM

Turningham

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Originally Posted by touchmyflop

" I show and villain is shocked and tells me he had 45o"

Lol he just didn't though.

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07-21-2017 , 07:34 AM

touchmyflop

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Really appreciate the feedback guys so thanks!

I'm interested in the Turn. I decided to check back the turn because he has a lot of Ax's in his range especially with some spades. So I'm interested to know why we should bet turn? I didn't want to get check/raised with such good SD value.

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07-21-2017 , 08:37 AM

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Darth_Maul

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I agree with checking the turn. You're not getting a better hand to fold there and the Ad improves some of villain's range (53, AXss). You might get value from QJ/QT and spade draws but it will also fold some worse hands (88-TT).

River has to be a fold despite the odds. As you walk through the hand against an unknown villain, there is virtually nothing left in his range you beat by that point (only the 88-TT showdown hands).

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07-21-2017 , 05:08 PM

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Kev1498

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We block a lot of his bluffs here except spade draws, he might of turned a four into a bluff here but I doubt it when the queen hits he river. Don't agree with a lot of people on betting bigger on the flop, it's a relatively dry flop and smaller bets allow you to bluff at a cheaper price while still balancing ranges. As played I'm folding here, don't think you are good ~25% of the time here.

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07-21-2017 , 07:28 PM

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Captain-Hindsight

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

I think there is a lot of merit to betting turn. yes the A improves some of his hands but all those will be betting and putting us in a tough spot OTR. We get value from a lot of Qx. By checking we allow him another street to improve to the best hand and we really can't improve.

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07-21-2017 , 09:23 PM

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Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight

There aren't going to be many Queens in his range calling in MP. We block KQ so you're left with QJ/QTs. And I would be checking the turn with the intention of calling the river. Unfortunately this is literally the worst river card for our hand.

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07-21-2017 , 09:33 PM

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Captain-Hindsight

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

Villain is in BB not MP, so there are probably quite a few Qx combos and FD hands that will call.

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07-21-2017 , 09:37 PM

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Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight

Villain is in BB not MP, so there are probably quite a few Qx combos and FD hands that will call.

Right. Still, there aren't many Qx hands that are good for defending the BB against a utg open.

Regardless, there's no clear answer in a spot like this. It could go either way based on your assumptions. So go with your gut at the time.

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07-21-2017 , 09:38 PM

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Captain-Hindsight

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

That's fair

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