QQ line check - MTT Poker Strategy - Multi Table Tournament Poker Forum

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy No Limit Tournaments

QQ line check

Post Reply Subscribe

...

08-27-2015 , 07:05 PM

sebeks49

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 169

164 hands on villain plays 19/14 15% 3bet 100% fold to 3bet from 2 hands
8% pfr from EP

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37087772

BTN: 14,620 (24.4 bb)
SB: 15,929 (26.5 bb)
BB: 15,654 (26.1 bb)
UTG+1: 27,130 (45.2 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 18,569 (30.9 bb)
MP1: 17,482 (29.1 bb)
MP2: 14,492 (24.2 bb)
MP3: 54,632 (91.1 bb)
CO: 30,122 (50.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q

UTG+1 raises to 1,200, Hero raises to 3,271, 7 folds, UTG+1 calls 2,071

Flop: (7,982) 8

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (7,982) A

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 2,634, Hero calls 2,634

River: (13,250) 4

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 8,400, Hero folds

Quote

08-27-2015 , 07:56 PM

spinandno

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 146

I call, the double pair'd board makes it pretty unlikely he has an A or an 8 and those are the only cards that beat you. Villain could easily have 22-77, 99,TT, JJ or busted Clubs/Hearts. All of which you beat.

Quote

08-28-2015 , 03:05 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

I would rather cbet than call a turn bet. There is pretty much no turn card except a Q you can't to see here and this guy does not seem to give you > 1 street of value with worse. So you can as well save some time+ deny him equity to hit a set/K/runnerrunner or give him ideas to exploid your weakness.
Std turn. River looks like a fold but you can't be sure so it sucks. Cbetting this is better and easier to play.

Quote

08-28-2015 , 08:26 AM

astro39

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 464

I agree with Furo ^ ^.

Quote

08-28-2015 , 03:36 PM

Ace Acumen

banned

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,491

def should bet flop here. Our opponents range becomes very polarized after that simple flop bet. By checking we never know where we are at in the hand

Quote

08-28-2015 , 05:39 PM

petesgotaces

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,733

What everyone else said lol. Don't play scared just because an ace hit. CBetting makes your future decisions much easier.

Checking gives V a spot to double barrell bluff (hard to call on river) or value bet the **** out of you with an A.

Quote

08-28-2015 , 11:19 PM

Juice_

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 83

The negative of checking is we give our opponent a good idea of the strength of our hand, allowing him to value bet us or bluff us on later streets). I guess he could have AJ ATs which is a very small part of his range(and with 2 aces on board less likely). We block AQ, AK 4 bets pre. I think he can still have a lot of middling pairs here that have no showdown value 77 and under and now decided to bluff. I guess I sigh call on river. It looks like we have some sort of showdown value hand, but I don't know if hes thinking about that or not.

Quote

08-29-2015 , 09:42 PM

luiz_19035

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 166

but if i c bet this flop and the oponent calls, what i do on the turn, if it is a blank for example? Check i guess. With an ace or bluffing, the oponent will bet the river anyway, since we show weakness on the turn. So it is the same situation if you check the flop, i am still putting two bets if i call the river. I prefer the check on the flop because i am in showdown mode IMO, and the oponent don't have the chance to check raise me.
I disagree that a check here means reveals what we have. We still can have a weak ace or slowplaying a monster.

Quote

08-30-2015 , 08:31 AM

Viral25

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,857

I like OP's line.
Most villains will bluff turn with a high frequency, but a riverbluff in this spot seems less likely.

Betting flop is fine also, but i think i mostly check since its really hard to get called by worse and i don't think our range is still uncapped either way.

Quote

08-31-2015 , 12:07 AM

#10

Juice_

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by luiz_19035

I disagree that a check here means reveals what we have. We still can have a weak ace or slowplaying a monster.

Versus a perceptive opponent I think he will expect us to bet most of our big aces and air hands on A88 two club flop when we 3 bet pre. When we check it looks like something with showdown. I'm not saying this is a good enough reason to bet flop, just something to keep in mind. I like checking flop for a few reasons: We can induce bluffs, we don't get check raised, we get a free card and a chance to improve when behind, and its unlikely to get called by a worse hand or make a better hand fold.

Last edited by Juice_; 08-31-2015 at 12:28 AM.

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...