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Old 06-13-2012, 11:36 AM   #1
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PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

we are far from the money (130 left 50 get payed)

I hold AK have been playing 19/14/6 over 80 hands
villain is a winning small stakesmtt player and currently plays 7 tourneys on PS and i have old hands, he runs at 17/14/8 over 145 hands

i havent shown any crazy plays .. no current history vs him!

i very rarely 4bet with AK esp out of position. his range is AK+, 1010+ (even with my blockers)
for me it is difficult to further reduce his possible holdings after the flop
checking back there is rather strong .. with QQ or JJ i expect him to cont bet and try taking it down ..
his call on turn somehow feels really strong like 1010 kk aa

in hindsight i shouldve checked back on turn in order to potcontrol and get a cheap showdown .. what u think .. should i fold or call river ?

thanks

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BTN: t17213 M = 8.20
SB: t76605 M = 36.48
BB: t32434 M = 15.44
UTG: t25075 M = 11.94
UTG+1: t20962 M = 9.98
Hero (UTG+2): t68118 M = 32.44
MP1: t10165 M = 4.84
MP2: t40422 M = 19.25
CO: t32939 M = 15.69

Pre Flop: (t2100) Hero is UTG+2 with K A
2 folds, Hero raises to t1800, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t4000, 4 folds, Hero calls t2200

Flop: (t10100) A 7 K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: (t10100) T (2 players)
Hero bets t5050, MP2 raises to t11600, Hero calls t6550

River: (t33300) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t24722 all in
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:47 AM   #2
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

3bjam turn
if his range is TT+AK fold pre
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:29 PM   #3
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

Bet the flop (so much draws) and or 3b jam turn.
Attack on the flop while you still have the best hand and jam on the turn where you have a real good chance of still having the best hand
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:04 PM   #4
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

Flop: I think that he'll definitely continuation bet with any A, AA, KK and QJcc type hands. However, QQ-TT may be a different matter. I think you need to always donk the flop in these situations, mainly because the board is draw-heavy but also because he could be willing to spaz out a little with QQ-TT.

Turn: It's a fairly standard turn play considering you didn't bet the flop but I'm not sure if 3betting is ever good here. TT (which is definitely in his range) and QJ have now gotten there which isn't great for us whatsoever.

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3bjam turn
if his range is TT+AK fold pre
I'm not saying that it isn't but, why is this a good idea?

River: I think we have to really consider whether or not he's shoving a river after he's re-raised the turn without a monster? Does he have a set, a flush or nothing nearly as good as your holding?
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:24 PM   #5
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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I'm not saying that it isn't but, why is this a good idea?
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.392% 27.16% 13.23% 15347135 7476961.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 59.608% 46.38% 13.23% 26204975 7476961.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo

and you don't have good implied odds cause he is never stacking of when A/K peels on flop when he has an underpair to the board especially in position.

and yeah, 3 b shove turn
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:06 PM   #6
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

I don't mind checking the flop if we're c/r it. I'd prefer to just bet though.

Jam turn though as played for sure.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:26 AM   #7
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

OP could you explain to me why you think flatting oop with AK vs TT+/AK is better than 4 betting? or even folding?

just think how it plays on flops. when you hit you're not going to make much money because of the overcards otf to his pp and because you're oop. and when you miss you aren't going to make money either. when you do hit and he hits sets you will busto.

do me a favor, just 4b/c pre and if you think his range is that tight then just fold it.

also vs TT+/AK and given the action. river is a fold. you're splitting with AK and losing to AA, KK, TT

I don't see him playing JJ/QQ that way.

of course that's given your pf ranges are correct.

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Old 06-14-2012, 06:12 PM   #8
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.392% 27.16% 13.23% 15347135 7476961.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 59.608% 46.38% 13.23% 26204975 7476961.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo

and you don't have good implied odds cause he is never stacking of when A/K peels on flop when he has an underpair to the board especially in position.

and yeah, 3 b shove turn
If it's 40% equity to win the pot then surely it's -EV and unprofitable to call?

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OP could you explain to me why you think flatting oop with AK vs TT+/AK is better than 4 betting? or even folding?

just think how it plays on flops. when you hit you're not going to make much money because of the overcards otf to his pp and because you're oop. and when you miss you aren't going to make money either. when you do hit and he hits sets you will busto.

do me a favor, just 4b/c pre and if you think his range is that tight then just fold it.

also vs TT+/AK and given the action. river is a fold. you're splitting with AK and losing to AA, KK, TT

I don't see him playing JJ/QQ that way.

of course that's given your pf ranges are correct.
I completely agree. 4betting pre-flop is the best option IMO.

How do you think he plays TT-QQ here?
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:15 PM   #9
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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If it's 40% equity to win the pot then surely it's -EV and unprofitable to call?
not rly. you're getting good odds to make the call.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:38 PM   #10
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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How do you think he plays TT-QQ here?
otf I think he can play the entire TT+/AK range like that as a slow play or pot control.

ott he doesn't raise QQ-JJ and if he did it for info he is not going to shove the river with them
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:40 PM   #11
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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villain is a winning small stakes mtt player ....

....his range is AK+, 1010+
One of these 2 statements is true but not both IMO.
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not rly. you're getting good odds to make the call.
Sorry to be annoying but could you explain in more depth please?
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:49 AM   #13
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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Sorry to be annoying but could you explain in more depth please?
You're getting about 4-1 to call on the 3b. Of course we have other factors like implied odds too which can affect the decision. Not that I agree with flatting pre, I'd just 4b/c.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:25 AM   #14
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Re: PS 2r: AK gets 4bet -> postflop play

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One of these 2 statements is true but not both IMO.
Your O is wrong, IMO
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