Hi guys!

Villain was moved to my table 15 hand ago. So far he has been playing 75/50/25 so not exactly a biggest nit but obv a very limited sample. I have been quiet, but this guy isn't prolly paying attention that much.

His line doens't make any kind of sense at all. Guys like this usually are not very keen to slowplay and he jammed the river really fast.

I am in the middle of my session right now so if there is some crucial info missing or you want me to explain my reasons until villain jams, be free to ask. Thanks !

would 3b pre against a fish, bet flop as played, other wise I fold river as played we will catch him on some other spots

Are we going to gii this pre, because I have a feeling that we are facing a 4-ball pretty often vs this guy.

at these stage of tourney I have 0 pbm to 3b/f against fishes a hand like TT. He is likely going to call everything you beat /dominate , but will 4b only a range that has TT crushed.
If he is that maniac (you didn't post his 3b/4b stats), I would flat obv. Flatting here has the merit to let SB and BB reship so you can see other actions.
Nonetheless our main concern here is to get max value from the spot at the table and that is a good one
I would play KJ/AT the same way

Ty for your response. I obv had very limited reads, because he wasn't in the table that long, but early signs are that he could very well 4-bet A6 or something like that. His 3-bet stat was 25 but this from 15 hands.

I don't mind to flat and keep his garbage in the hand, but, as bibiscus said, a 3bet could be fine too due to this player can 4bet us pretty light imo.

Stats are not quite relevant here but, did you realize any hand played by him post flop?. Anyway as played I prefer to fold to his river bet. The line has no sense and in his range there is whatever.

I saw one hand that he played in similar way but didn't see a showdown. In other hand he flatted UTG mr with 79o from MP and called squeeze after or folded. He jammed over c-bet in Qt4r and get there vs AA. Couple other hands he raised pre and barreled flop and turn. No showdowns other than the 79o hand.

if he calls/calls with 79o, 3bing pre is a mustplay

I ended up calling that ridic rivershove. Villain had somewhat interesting holding.

It's actually a gross shove, and I wouldn't blame if you called, although as interesting as it is, a lot of stuff got there OTR.

Lead flop.

he had kk or a5?

he needs to be bluffing ~45% of of the time for us to break-even which just seems like a high bluffing freq in this spot, even for an aggro villain...

had you seen villain make a big river bluff? generally speaking, i've found that this type (aggro opener/3-bettor) seems to prefer bluffing earlier in the hand (and then give up in the face of resistance)

Why don't we just bet the flop? He gave up the lead, are we really worried about being check/raised off of our hand?
-you protect your equity a little
-if he's bad he is calling with worse often. ak,aj,gutters like 910,56 backdoor draws, and worse pocket pairs. He also probably has quite afew 8x combos.
-and I would probably call a check raise at least one street anyways as he seems pretty spastic, and that line doesn't really jive with an actual made hand.

He needs to be bluffing a lot to make this call a profitable one and I really don't know if he is bluffing that much, but I just couldn't figure what the hell he is holding that beat me.

I only saw him taking the same line earlier in equally bizarre situation but his opponent folded so I couldn't say if it was a big bluff or not.

I agree that usually these aggromonkeys c-bet almost 100% and barrel a lot and rarely take line like this.

If his range is all over the place this is most usually some kind of funky 2pair hand. Occaisionally a straight or a slowplayed or turn/rivered set.

flat calling pre is fine , against fish though u can merge your range pre , as they'll call your 3-bet with weaker hands.

I actually like checking back the flop here , we get to pot control and could also take a stab at it ott if checked too!

it seems unlikely that V will check twice otf and ott with a hand like AQs/QQ/KK or AA ,most of these hands will be looking to get at least 2 streets of value...

so what hands will v check here otf and ott? i really don't know but im gunna take a wild guess and say 88/QQ/ maybe 44?

on the river , i'd much rather check it back. i can see you're trying to extract some thin value from maybe hands like 66/77/99. i just think checking back is better since our hand has showdown value and i don't really wanna be bluffed of our hand.

when V shoves otr, i'd be pretty lost too bro

im folding when they shove, i can see why your calling here though as it just does not make any sense from start to end , so yeah

Yeah, but I didn't fold... Villain had A9o by the way, so am I one of the cool kids now

Did you think about whether you'd call a check-raise or not before you bet river?

Nice call and yes you're definitely one of the cool kids now haha

i hope he did lol

what would your plan be otr and why? b/f? b/c or check it back?

which line is most ev+ here against this particular opponent...

It really depends on the opponent, and Puzo would know that a lot better than us from having played with him.

If you think the opponent is well capable of spaz plays like this then it's fine. But you'd want to be thinking that before you bet. If you think villain doesn't get to the river like this often with made hands then the only reason you're betting here is to induce a bluff. If you haven't come to this conclusion then you really shouldn't be betting. (I'm assuming that this type of villain is more likely to bet any pair than c/c any pair. Puzo should prolly give his thoughts on how accurate he thinks that is).

The 79o hand is pretty good evidence of villains capabilities.