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05-28-2012, 03:58 AM
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journeyman
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Overpair OOP, 6way pot
Should my line be different?
What is villains range here. Sorry, NO info on villain.
Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
top@pokker (MP2): 3,000 (100 bb)
artastvac (MP3): 2,258 (75.3 bb)
Gunjah612 (CO): 2,905 (96.8 bb)
seed89 (BTN): 2,980 (99.3 bb)
h0udin (SB): 3,060 (102 bb)
A.Pushkin99 (BB): 3,085 (102.8 bb)
MCultra182 (UTG+1): 2,905 (96.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 3,117 (103.9 bb)
Velho Sábio (MP1): 3,000 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J  J
MCultra182 folds, Hero raises to 90, Velho Sábio calls 90, 2 folds, Gunjah612 calls 90, seed89 calls 90, h0udin calls 75, A.Pushkin99 calls 60
Flop: (540) 3  T  4 (6 players)
h0udin checks, A.Pushkin99 checks, Hero bets 324, 2 folds, seed89 calls 324, 2 folds
Turn: (1,188) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets 594, seed89 raises to 2,566 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,972
River: (6,320) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Thanks guys
Solidthought
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05-28-2012, 05:42 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
im folding turn. this early, i almost always see sets here. very few will semi-bluff shove here with combo draw.
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05-28-2012, 06:29 AM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
With 5 callers, I'm just check-folding the flop.
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05-28-2012, 06:37 AM
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veteran
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelScarn
With 5 callers, I'm just check-folding the flop.
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Butnah coz we lose to like 9 combos
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05-28-2012, 08:06 AM
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
fold turn next time
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05-28-2012, 08:47 AM
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newbie
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
I cant think of any hand you are beating. so this has to be a fold on the turn.
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05-28-2012, 08:49 AM
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veteran
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
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Originally Posted by realebird
I cant think of any hand you are beating. so this has to be a fold on the turn.
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I think we'll see Tx more often then we should. But still, fold.
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05-29-2012, 11:58 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
Not sure if i like c/c turn or b/f turn... but not calling the raise is for sure.
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05-29-2012, 12:27 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
pre good
flop good
turn bet good
turn call not great...not the worst but a good bet fold spot
to nitpick a bit you can go smaller on both flop and turn.
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05-29-2012, 12:49 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
pre std,flop sizing is good,maybe i would bet little bit more about 390-420..turn isnt good to me,sizing seems good to me,but call here is close,but often villain will have set,i think his range could be 33,TT,44,99(yes he could call you OTF)....sometimes he could try to semi-bluff here with JQcc but it is not likely often,he coould have T9 tooo it was just 5way pot before he had to call your raise,so he had good odds,but it is not likely too.
In summary : you beat only JQcc,so totally easy fold
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05-29-2012, 01:07 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
I assume we are bet folding flop so why would we want to bet more? I think we can easily bet 275 and play the hand...no reason to bet too much with a pretty meh hand
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05-29-2012, 01:47 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
I assume we are bet folding flop so why would we want to bet more? I think we can easily bet 275 and play the hand...no reason to bet too much with a pretty meh hand
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Your answer seems good,i agree
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05-29-2012, 06:13 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
at this spot, the most important thing is to know WHO your up against, obviously against a fish you would want to get it in as fast as possible, but against a good player, you want to be cautious.
So when you have so many players calling you, its time to check the water ... on the flop, bet around 40% of the pot, and see how many and who calls.
If you get called by a reg, then you might definetly be beat, so check the turn, and see what he does on the river.
If you dont know how to spot good players, just right click and search them, and if their playing plenty of tournaments, then theres a good chance that their good/decent.
But if you get called by a donk ( playing one table only, and uve had earlier reads etc ) then ofcourse get it in on the turn/river.
Theres rly no other way to play this, there is nothing wrong is folding an overpair
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05-30-2012, 03:17 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Overpair OOP, 6way pot
B/f OTT is probably warranted, but it's pretty close in a $10 imo w/ that turn card vs a random. Villain's range looks like this:
Set or QQ+ = 30 hands = like 2% equity (ie practically not worth considering)
AT, JTs,QTs,KTs = 20 hands = like 80% equity
so we win about 21/56 = 38% equity ~
There's about t4300 in the pot and its about t2000 for us to call, so we only need like 33% to make the call break even right? So while I see the logic to b/f, idk if you can argue against b/c mathematically. Obviously cutting out AT alters our equity drastically, but shouldn't we assume crazier **** happens in a $10 than a fish overvaluing an unchanged TPTK?
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