Students hand. Do you like call?

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UTG+2: t252480 M = 21.04
MP1: t116406 M = 9.70
MP2: t296706 M = 24.73
CO: t204276 M = 17.02
Hero (BTN): t98997 M = 8.25
SB: t544393 M = 45.37
BB: t114746 M = 9.56
UTG: t116154 M = 9.68
UTG+1: t335278 M = 27.94

Pre Flop: (t12000) Hero is BTN with 6 8
UTG raises to t10000, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t10000, 1 fold, MP2 calls t10000, 1 fold, Hero calls t10000, SB calls t7500, BB calls t5000

I prob fold, but its prob close. Its exponentially better that we have position, otherwise I don't even contemplate the call really. Think were getting the implied odds to flop a FD or better and hope to get lucky after the flop.

However in general I think flatting here (even when getting seemingly correct implied odds) and passively giving away chips when ur at sub 20BB in general just dwindles away a perfectly good retsteal stack during high blind play. Kind of a weak way to play. Thats why I usually fold.

Need reads...could be a fold, flat or shove...

agree with foks that fodl and maintain utility of reshoving stack

Meh, don't like overlimping with 20bb.
Readless fold > shove >>>>>>>>>>> limp.

pretty bad call

+1 to foks, except that it's a rather clear fold imo.

I'll maintain that flatting is far from terrible here as long as you know why you are doing it and also play well postflop.

At first I thought it was bad, but I like the flat multiway with position.

usual criteria...if the opener is tight enough that he always has a big hand then I like it more...readless it's borderline...

I really think it depends on the student's post flop ability...

I also think that the number of BB you need to play short stack poker is lower bthese days then it was a few years ago...the old raise fold with this stack number was 20 and now I think we can take it a lot lower

flush draws...I like the flat pre, not always 100% but look at the odds in the pot, I think this is a range merging spot.

Stacks (us) aren't deep enough and having position is not going to do us a ton of good 5 handed since most people probabaly aren't often bluffing into that many people... we have to hit our hand. Or be very good and creative post. Or everyone else could suck bad.

that's why we need to know if the opener is tight...if he is and he has a narrow range then we can expect him to stack off on most flops and can make the call pre...if he is opening wide then it's probably a fold...

close either way

we have 20BB we're flatting a raise with 86s. The more I think about it, the more terrible I think it is. like how often do you expect to win postflop? and when you do, do you really have implieds with 20BB? I think not. There are also times when the BB will shove and you would have spewed a precious 10% of your stack for nothing.

It's just over 10% of our stack though.