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SB: t1905.00 15.88 BBs
BB: t9455.00 78.79 BBs
UTG: t7555.00 62.96 BBs
UTG+1: t5009.00 41.74 BBs
UTG+2: t4343.00 36.19 BBs
Hero (MP1): t8557.00 71.31 BBs
MP2: t5175.00 43.12 BBs
CO: t12250.00 102.08 BBs
BTN: t5722.00 47.68 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is MP1 with 8 8
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t360.00, 1 fold, Hero raises to t965.00, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t605

Flop: (t2110) (2 players)
flop was 6 7 10 with 2 diamonds
UTG+1 bets t4044 all in
Hero: ????

No reads on villian as he had just sat down at the table 5 hands ago. I have been having trouble lately putting villians on ranges in 3 bet pots lately no matter what they do on the flop, and this overbet shove to me seems like a draw more than a set. thoughts?

where's the flop?
I really dislike your 3b. Just flat readless.

a) What was the flop?

b) What was the buyin?

c) If you're having trouble in 3-bet pots, why are you 3-betting with 88?

wow how did the flop get deleted? flop was 6 7 10 with 2 diamonds. this was the $11 daily deepstack. I 3 bet because I didnt want to play this hand as a set mining hand because I have a good chance of being ahead, so i decided to take control of the pot by 3 betting. Plus if I flat then that leaves the possibility of someone behind me squeezing, and then what do i do? i would have to fold. Just because I have been getting some ranges wrong in 3 bet pots, I dont want that to be a reason that i dont 3 bet. I want to be able to 3 bet for value and a semi bluff to balance my range

Well you don't have a great chance of being ahead if villain calls your 3bet. And since there are very few flops you can continue on, by 3betting your 88, you're more or less turning it into either a bluff or a setmine anyway, you're just setting yourself a pretty bad price to setmine. And I wouldn't let the fear of a squeeze behind you prevent you from flatcalling sometimes; it doesn't happen often enough.

And if I'm 3betting as a kind of semibluff, I'd much rather have a hand like 76s than 88. I think you're turning a profitable hand into an unprofitable one by 3betting it, when you could turn unprofitable hands into profitable ones (as bluffs).

But what I really don't understand is why you don't want to setmine at this stack depth?

Your making alot of sense with the preflop play.

I didnt like the idea of setmining because if I miss then i basically give up the pot, i figured with the 3 bet I could either A. take it down pre B. hit my set and be good or C. c bet a missed flop and take it down. If he plays back i just give it up. of course he spazzed out so it ruined my plan lol

When you flat pre it doesn't have to be a setmine...

Agree pre is pretty bad...flatting is much better at this stage and with reads

alright is pre bad because of how deep we are? say if effective stacks are 30 bbs would a 3 bet be good here?

also your 3b is way too big
fold flop and make a note

imo no because it's still pre-ante and we're still well behind his range. Readless, pre-ante, and facing a 3x from utg you'll probably want to muck this at 20bb deep too. With reads this could be a much different story. The only thing our stack can do is making flatting an option.

I wanna flat pre,and OTF call his c-bet about 1/2 of pot.On his shove = fold.If he bet OTT i would fold.As played fold to me

Flat pre. 3B readless vs an EP random raiser seems way wreckless/misguided. Ur deep enough to flat. You have 6 outs at best OTF. Do you have the odds to call as a 75% dog OTF?