I don't mind it if it is in line with our image.

But on the flip side if we get called by BB when shoving (most likely light) I doubt we be better than 60/40 and I don't like flipping for stacks with KTo.

Contradicts my first post but vs BB it is mr/decide

Final table of live $45 MTT. Top 6 paid and Hero is 7/8. Blinds are 10k/20k no ante with effective stacks very short (big stack has probably 16bbs) due to poor structure and long FT bubble. Hero is UTG with 109k.
AJo? Mandatory shove here?
Heroes image is fairly tight but pre final table shoved with KJ and got called by AQ and doubled up.

These live shallow anteless structures are miserable ... gii and if you bust you no longer have to worry about wasting your time.

144 players left. Villain is 16/7/2.0/ over 44 hands. do I have enough stack to fold Ax on bb and wait for some better spot in next orbit?
Or just call? what u guys think.

Have you seen V do this BvB often?

I would call.

Hi All,
I've been a lurker for a while, but have finally decided to take poker seriously.

Here is a hand I played, IMHO poorly and I'd like to check my reasoning for why it's poorly played.

PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 1,560 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 1,535 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: 960 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 2,375 (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (BB): 1,430
UTG: 1,215 (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG+1: 1,430 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 910 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP+1: 2,085 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 25, Hero posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has T K

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 50, SB calls 25, Hero checks

Flop: (150, 3 players) T 4 6
SB bets 150, Hero raises to 400, fold, SB raises to 2,325 and is all-in, Hero calls 980 and is all-in

Turn: (2,910, 2 players) 7

River: (2,910, 2 players) J

SB shows 6 T (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 25%, Flop 84%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows T K (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 75%, Flop 16%, Turn 14%)
SB wins 2,910

My reasoning for why I've played this poorly: we're 11 hands into the tournament and I know nothing about my opponent - I have no reads and nothing to suggest he is wild. At this point with top-pair and a reasonable kicker I hold a small-hand. As soon as my raise induces the opponent to shove I should fold because small-hands are for small-pots and the big pots are for monster hands.

I await my beating

Merge - $0+$0|<> NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 21.9 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 2.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
UTG+1: 24.73 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 23.32 BB (VPIP: 22.76, PFR: 16.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 394)
Hero (MP+1): 76.62 BB
CO: 23.79 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 29.28 BB (VPIP: 9.17, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 111)
SB: 21.53 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 34.9 BB (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has A J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, hero fold, CO calls 2 BB, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB


was this too nitty in the early stages?

if he's pushing a minimum (iow - if you think he's wider than this) of 22+,A2+,K9s+,KJo+,QJs it's a call.

ya just call the psb-lead out. it's kind of an argumentative point as to whether or not you should go broke with a tp hand post in the early stages - especially in a limped pot - in ssmtt. certainly in high gtd and stakes you wouldn't but for small gtd in the ssmtt it's not horrible when donkeys spaz with all kinds of ****. I would probably pass on this spot, but if I had AT or if it was Kxx and we had AK I probably would call off w no problem.

PokerStars - €4.50+€0.50|400/800 Ante 50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 20.3.

BTN: 57.41 BB (VPIP: 23.57, PFR: 15.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.45, Hands: 444)
SB: 75.48 BB (VPIP: 42.11, PFR: 3.51, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 58)
BB: 29.71 BB (VPIP: 36.75, PFR: 9.48, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 121)
UTG: 30 BB (VPIP: 12.96, PFR: 12.04, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 111)
Hero (MP): 50.77 BB
CO: 22.29 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 11.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 88)

6 players post ante of 0.06 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.88 BB) Hero has 9 A

fold, Hero raises to 2.63 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.63 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.13 BB, 2 players) A K J
Hero bets 2.49 BB, BTN raises to 4.99 BB, Hero calls 2.49 BB

Turn: (17.1 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.41 BB

What would you do here with top pair? Thanks

30/611 players left.
villain is 19/15/0.0/6.3/. everyone folds to me. im little lost at this stage of mtts. what is standart play here?

I would A9o but call AJ/88+, AT causes me more confusion. Any reads on V... has he tightened up recently because of a big pot that crippled him, etc?

PokerStars - $2+$0.20|60/120 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 25.27 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
CO: 72.92 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
BTN: 34.7 BB (VPIP: 21.54, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
SB: 61.05 BB (VPIP: 63.41, PFR: 2.44, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 41)
BB: 84.66 BB (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
Hero (UTG): 37.42 BB
UTG+1: 6.17 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 115.23 BB (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 6.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 59)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 4 6 K
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB raises to 18 BB, fold

SB wins 14 BB


SB has AFq of 12. Standard?

Nope, raise GII vs this whale.

Interesting. I assume this is because he is likely to overvalue weak hands, right?

So I'm trying to get back into a little bit of live low-stakes poker. I want to really solidify my pre-flop game, but I'm not sure of the best way to go about it. I've read Harrington's Volume 1, and it's helped, but I don't think I can memorize his list, and putting it into a chart form doesn't seem to help much either. I'm curious as to what other people do. After a while, do you just sort of intuitively feel out each hand based on (primarily) position, action to you, stack sizes, and your two cards? Or do you actually memorize a pre-flop chart of some sort and base all your action off of that?

Edit: my apologies if this is not the right place to put this question; other forums on twoplustwo have their quick checkup threads as the place to ask simple questions.

Get Jonathan little's tournament book vol 1

I would've call. A lot of times such a raise is a small pair or a weaker hand. And you get good odds.

can we shove out of the bb here? or it's too weak of a hand if we get called?

I'd be realllllly tempted to shove but I think you're getting looked up Here a lot by 55-88ish which doesn't seem like. Bad spot with all the dead money.

Hell, I'm oprob shoving
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Did I play this hand wrong? Maybe flop c-bet is too small?
The reason i shoved the river was to get hero called by a pair. sick hand though
I put him on 66-99 there, cause he limped call pre. . I just didn't think he would have better Ace, especialy suited. that was totally out of my map. . . where my thinking gone wrong?

I don't mind how you played till the river. But on the river I would check/call. Because:
The pot is big enough and you only have top pair. If you bet he knows that he have to beat an A to call so you force him to play well so I don't think he'll call with a low pair. If you check saying that you are afraid of that A, then he may check back or sometimes bet for value with his low pairs and weakers aced and most important he will try to bluff with all his busted draws or non proved hands.
The whole point is that if u put him all in you force him to play perfect. Checking you give him the chance to make a mistake.
Of course if you didn't hit the A on the river then you may push shove as a bluff hoping he only had over cards and folds

Thank you for the response. But I was in position in that hand, so he was first to act in all streets.
Btw, I made thread on that hand - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...alyze-1529905/
I want to analyze it as far as i could. cause my tournament philosophy is not strong i guess, so this hand is pretty much how I play it most times.

sorry mistake.

If you are in position even better. Just check back the river. Cause if you jam he is going to call you only with hands that beat you. If he as a missed draw or as u said a lower pair he is going to fold to your raise shove. If you want you could make a small value bet just to get some more money from a lower pair but doing this you give him the chance to 3bet shove and you'll be facing a tough decision. Just check and if he have some wired set or double pair or a bigger ace at least you still have 22000 left to play.
By the way he played really bad by calling down till river with AK.