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Nuts v 2nd Nuts - Do I have to go broke all the time here? Nuts v 2nd Nuts - Do I have to go broke all the time here?

09-08-2016 , 08:20 AM
Hi,
Here I send a hand that I would like help with. Villain is very loose, playing every hand, almost.
Turn I put him on some sort of 9, since he showed off before with 92 on MP.

Hope you can help me think of a way to play this hand on a better way or maybe I have to go broke all the time in here.

Thanks



    Pacific, $4.50 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37427788

    BB: 70,139 (58.4 bb)
    UTG+2: 51,851 (43.2 bb)
    MP1: 8,051 (6.7 bb)
    MP2: 40,569 (33.8 bb)
    MP3: 19,712 (16.4 bb)
    Hero (CO): 61,482 (51.2 bb)
    BTN: 35,331 (29.4 bb)
    SB: 14,281 (11.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K :: ::
    UTG+2 calls 1,200, 3 folds, Hero raises to 3,600, BTN calls 3,600, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls 2,400

    Flop: (13,800) Q J T (3 players)
    Hero bets 6,900, BTN folds, UTG+2 calls 6,900

    Turn: (27,600) 8 (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets 13,800, Hero calls 13,800

    River: (55,200) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets 20,400, UTG+2 raises to 27,401 and is all-in, Hero calls 7,001

    Spoiler:
    Results: 110,002 pot
    Final Board: Q J T 8 7
    UTG+2 showed A 6 :: :: and won 110,002 (58,151 net)
    Hero showed Q K :: :: and lost (-51,851 net)



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    09-08-2016 , 08:54 AM
    Please don't spoil in the title.

    You could of raised him all in on turn with TPGK, 2nd Nut flush draw with opened straight flush draw and OESD. Once he bets turn theres 40k in the middle and he leaves himself with 27k, i like jamming over top with our 20 outs

    Also if betting the river with 55k in the middle and vil has 27k, why not put him all in instead of beating 20k? Thats a bit weird since he could just flat with sets that he just can't fold and u miss 7k value as vil will call 27k if he calls 20k.

    But yes you go broke here 99% of the time. You can't fold if he jams flop or turn due to the amazing equity your hand has and you committed yourself on the river.
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    09-08-2016 , 09:00 AM
    Thanks a lot for your response.. If you put him all in on turn, doesnt he calls only with better? or we want him to fold that Ac?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    Please don't spoil in the title.

    You could of raised him all in on turn with TPGK, 2nd Nut flush draw with opened straight flush draw and OESD. Once he bets turn theres 40k in the middle and he leaves himself with 27k, i like jamming over top with our 20 outs

    Also if betting the river with 55k in the middle and vil has 27k, why not put him all in instead of beating 20k? Thats a bit weird since he could just flat with sets that he just can't fold and u miss 7k value as vil will call 27k if he calls 20k.

    But yes you go broke here 99% of the time. You can't fold if he jams flop or turn due to the amazing equity your hand has and you committed yourself on the river.
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    09-08-2016 , 10:54 AM
    Not necessarily true, he could call with worse - AcX or he can call with a set which you still have great equity against since you're on a MASSIVE draw.

    If you jam turn and he calls with this hand he has you're 75% favorite to win the hand, you have blockers to the flush and straight
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    09-08-2016 , 02:49 PM
    Alright, it sounds then that the line was to re raise on turn instead of flatting.
    What about sizing pre and on flop?
    Are they ok?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    Not necessarily true, he could call with worse - AcX or he can call with a set which you still have great equity against since you're on a MASSIVE draw.

    If you jam turn and he calls with this hand he has you're 75% favorite to win the hand, you have blockers to the flush and straight
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    09-08-2016 , 03:21 PM
    i dont mind putting him all in ott either
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    09-09-2016 , 05:41 AM
    Thanks a lot, sir...
    Previous streets were ok?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
    i dont mind putting him all in ott either
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    09-09-2016 , 05:57 AM
    Think i flat pre unless the original raiser is raising light and fold to 3b is high otherwise i'm happy playing a pot controlled hand in position against raiser and if we raise and btn-bb 4bet we have to play an inflated pot oop/fold.

    cbetting flop is fine with that board
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    09-09-2016 , 08:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by viktor_david
    Thanks a lot, sir...
    Previous streets were ok?
    Yea seems fine, i personally would have sized a little smaller pre and otf but its pretty trivial in terms of +cEV
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    09-09-2016 , 08:58 AM
    I am just wondering whether I would hi five myself before or after gii on the turn
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    09-09-2016 , 10:46 AM
    I was isoing, though.. villiam open limped...
    but good for the advice...
    cbet is one of the things i was worried about...

    Thanks

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    Think i flat pre unless the original raiser is raising light and fold to 3b is high otherwise i'm happy playing a pot controlled hand in position against raiser and if we raise and btn-bb 4bet we have to play an inflated pot oop/fold.

    cbetting flop is fine with that board
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    09-09-2016 , 10:49 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by viktor_david
    I was isoing, though.. villiam open limped...
    but good for the advice...
    cbet is one of the things i was worried about...

    Thanks
    Isoing what exactly?
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    09-09-2016 , 01:17 PM
    I like a bit bigger pre and on flop - even with the same preflop sizing 10K c bet would mean we can shove the turn. I agree with the turn shove as played
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