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10-30-2014 , 05:21 AM
    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 375 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32195502

    CO: 226,017 (75.3 bb)
    BTN: 270,177 (90.1 bb)
    SB: 173,481 (57.8 bb)
    BB: 82,505 (27.5 bb)
    Hero (MP): 110,266 (36.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
    Hero raises to 7,500, CO folds, BTN calls 7,500, 2 folds

    Flop: (21,375) Q 3 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets 8,550, BTN calls 8,550

    Turn: (38,475) K (2 players)
    Hero bets 15,390, BTN raises to 42,780,

    Spoiler:
    Hero folds

    Results: 69,255 pot
    Final Board: Q 3 9 K
    BTN mucked and won 69,255 (37,440 net)
    Hero mucked Q A and lost (-31,815 net)



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    I play pretty TAG running 23/20 with a 13% open from EP. Villain is unknown, aggressive and is running 50/36/16.7 and cold called 50% on BTN over a very small sample. He had previously raised a flop bet before, but I never saw another case of him float/raising turn.

    In hindsight I don't love my turn bet as the K isn't a good card for my specific hand, but it's not a terrible bet considering my range as I would have flop cbet all my KK, AK, KQs on that board as well obviously. I guess I never have the straight in my range though.

    It's hard to give Villain a raise as he called so widely over the small sample, but got to assume JTs, 33, 99, KQ are all in his range, as well as a lot of air. But is he wild enough to bluff raise EP when the board hits our range so hard?

    What are your thoughts on the turn? I hate checking and losing the initiative against an aggressive big stack, but thinking that might have been best given how much my hand hates being raised... but how do I play the river if I check/call the turn as it seems to turn my cards pretty much face up?

    Ian
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    10-30-2014 , 11:33 AM
    super tough spot. at these stakes, I'd probably fold but if I happened to be v in this hand, I probably have more spades than value hands here. If I do have you beat it's almost entirely with KQ.

    I like the turn bet but don't mind c/c with the intention of c/c lots of rivers either.

    You should def have the str8 in your range 5 handed btw.
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    10-30-2014 , 01:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrunkMonkey
    super tough spot. at these stakes, I'd probably fold but if I happened to be v in this hand, I probably have more spades than value hands here. If I do have you beat it's almost entirely with KQ.

    I like the turn bet but don't mind c/c with the intention of c/c lots of rivers either.

    You should def have the str8 in your range 5 handed btw.
    Thanks. River is going to be a monster hero call though, ain't it!!

    You are right about the straight... and I do have the str8 in my range. I was typing away this morning without looking at the hand, and my mental look up whilst typing defaulted to my FR EP opening range.

    Ian
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    10-30-2014 , 04:07 PM
    Raise less pre with this blinds, 2.2x - 2.3x. OTF bet more, and fold now OTT.
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    10-30-2014 , 05:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by flizana
    Raise less pre with this blinds, 2.2x - 2.3x. OTF bet more, and fold now OTT.
    Fair points. On the flop, are you thinking 60-65% bet size for this wet texture?
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    10-30-2014 , 05:31 PM
    Ugly spot but I think betting the turn made it easier for you to get away from this hand, rather than x/c and having to decide if he's floating/exploiting your weak check. Don't think many villains like the one above will raise OTT with air here facing a bet but they will likely bet when checked to.

    On balance it looks like you're usually behind here - gotta fold.
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    10-30-2014 , 07:59 PM
    I would check the turn and let him bet with worse. Bet folding with our stack versus this player seems like a mistake versus this opponent.
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    10-30-2014 , 08:56 PM
    What are you running for your 3rd HUD value, 3-bet? Certainly not his AF.
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    10-31-2014 , 05:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rapid_Fire
    What are you running for your 3rd HUD value, 3-bet? Certainly not his AF.
    Yes, 3 bet. Not enough hands for it to have converged, but what we can probably assume is that he didn't get to the flop with AK+ (or even AQ possibly) given he appears aggressive pre.
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    10-31-2014 , 06:50 PM
    as we have a very small sample not looking to deeply into reads here

    turn is a good card for Vs flop flatting range, JT,KQ,KsXs all get there
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