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07-23-2012, 05:29 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Portugal
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Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
Is this a +EV Open Shove?
The Hand:
Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 70 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13576192
MP1: 25,674 (42.8 bb)
MP2: 6,140 (10.2 bb)
MP3: 14,531 (24.2 bb)
Hero (CO): 10,461 (17.4 bb)
BTN: 25,696 (42.8 bb)
SB: 9,943 (16.6 bb)
BB: 34,002 (56.7 bb)
UTG+1: 18,934 (31.6 bb)
UTG+2: 4,359 (7.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 6  A 
5 folds, Hero raises to 10,391 and is all-in, BTN raises to 20,182, 2 folds
Flop: (22,312) K  J  6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (22,312) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (22,312) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
The facts:
Villain main stats in 141 hands: is 14/11/2,7 (vpip/pfr/af)
I think villain calling range is about 12%.
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07-23-2012, 05:34 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 114
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
Bit too loose imo, fold and wait for a better spot. Another option is raise/fold.
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07-23-2012, 07:26 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,067
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
way too looose with almost 18 bbs,
10-11 bbs should be instant push
12-13 bbs should be a push when the table is tight
with your stack, you can just min raise and fold
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07-23-2012, 07:37 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Canada
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
Folding is pretty terrible. At least jam but usually either r/f or r/c.
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07-24-2012, 08:36 AM
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Germany
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
jam is > fold vs most players (especially at low buyins)
i'd r/decide as well mostly
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07-24-2012, 08:58 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Portugal
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
Sincerely, I think shoving is +EV in the long run due to villain calling range. He is calling too tight in this spot, I still have fold equity with 17bbs. I also have so fewer opponents after my shove, only 3 players left to act, villain in the BTN and the blinds.
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07-24-2012, 09:36 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 635
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
given your M is just under 7 it's never to loose when you shove!
the problem is that open shoving 15bbs or more doesn't indicate a lot of strenght! (not for all, but for many players). therefore you could get snapped off by 77 & 88 or maybe hands like ATs, AJo etc.
but def +ev to shove here
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07-24-2012, 12:06 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,185
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MatteoBounce
given your M is just under 7 it's never to loose when you shove!
the problem is that open shoving 15bbs or more doesn't indicate a lot of strenght! (not for all, but for many players). therefore you could get snapped off by 77 & 88 or maybe hands like ATs, AJo etc.
but def +ev to shove here
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+ev, but rarely optimal.
If the villains who are left to act will 3bet shove on us alot when we 2.1x, then open shoving is best. Since people rarely have wide 3bet shove ranges in lows/micros we should be r/f here.
R/f>>>>open shove>>>>r/c
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07-25-2012, 04:04 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protential
+ev, but rarely optimal.
If the villains who are left to act will 3bet shove on us alot when we 2.1x, then open shoving is best. Since people rarely have wide 3bet shove ranges in lows/micros we should be r/f here.
R/f>>>>open shove>>>>r/c
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+1
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07-25-2012, 05:12 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 302
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowImQh
way too looose with almost 18 bbs,
10-11 bbs should be instant push
12-13 bbs should be a push when the table is tight
with your stack, you can just min raise and fold
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You are wrong. There s already antes involved, thats why effective bb is lower and just saying you got 18 bb is not right ;-)
Shoving is +ev but i like r/f more in these spots as other poster s already mentioned.
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07-25-2012, 05:39 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,253
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What i dont like about this spot, is that we are dominated by villains calling range. If he has calls, I rather be on two live cards. If we really want to make a move, which i kind of like right about now, i like something connected suited or w/ 1 or 2 gaps, 4 6, 9 10.
Of course we want the table to fold regardless, but at least our ace isnt crushed, and our tail 6 is so weak vs 77+.
Whats the table dynamic lately? These decisions really weigh on how loose the big stacks are calling down the dieing stacks. Or is it one of those check down fold tables and only premiums showing down?
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07-26-2012, 07:03 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 186
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
I'm in r/f camp here.
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07-26-2012, 08:04 AM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 2,189
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Re: Middle Game A6s OpenShove CO position
jamming is +EV for sure. but r/f is optimal. don think we can r/c this vs 90% of players.
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