Bwin hand a week ago. villain is typical loose calling station.

I'm on Co with a ~20-30bb stack with T8

villain flats on bb

flop
QT3
bb checks, i bet half pot
Here i thought i should bet since my hand is really weak and will be outdrawn really often.

turn
T
bb checks, i bet 3/4 pot

River
6
bb bets pot (i've got only a psb left behind)


i'm auto calling river but still not sure if flop was a bet or check behind

if he is loose aggressive checking flop is > betting it and vise versa

nice hand sir

looks good. would have played it the same

Looks good to me.

seems fine

Your reasons for betting are flawed. You either bet for value or as a bluff, not protection or information.

Protection and/or information are by products of betting but NEVER should be the primary reason for betting.

In this case you would either be going for thin value or turning your hand into a bluff.

If you're going for thin value your thinking is, since he is loose calling station, he calls here W/ worse Tx and clubs. You'd have to live W/ the fact that you have to give up a lot of rivers.

If you're betting as a bluff you're trying to get a Qx to fold or a Qx W/ a club or a better T.

Both scenarios, because of how you described villain, don't turn much of a profit.

I agree about 'information', but i think it is wrong to say that 'protection' can never be a primary reason for betting. We can bet to make people call with worse (valuebetting), to make them fold better (bluffing) but we can also bet when their range includes a lot of hands which we beat, but which have substantial equity vs our hand, and which he will fold to a bet (protection). For example, 22 on A73rbw. He is not calling with worse, he is most likely not folding any better, but it is a good idea to bet, because any random hand that he has will have at least 6 outs vs our hand. We do not want him to realise the equity of a hand like J10, which he will fold to a bet. We are 'protecting' our hand by betting.

This particular hand is another good example, as any random low club in his range has 9 outs vs our hand, so we want to bet to protect.

This is how i see it anyway

This may be how you see it, and I hope I don't come off as a prick, but you're incorrect. The example you just gave, we are betting for thin value, not for protection. The protection is a positive outcome of betting for thin value.

Why would you ever bet to "protect" a hand in poker? Think about it? it's a game where you're trying to relieve people of chips. It's a game of equity smashing together, hand values fluctuating up and down on every street, position and player tendencies.

Or you could say that the goal of the game is to make the most money. If you're trying to make the most money the most efficient way of doing so is value betting. The second most efficient way is bluffing because you're getting value out of a hand that has less equity share in the pot than others.

What does protection do? Protection doesn't make you profit. It's not a primary reason to bet because it won't make you money if your sole reason for betting EVERY hand is protection.

Your goal isn't to protect when you're a 65/35 favorite, it's to maximize value.

Did i say i was betting for either of these reasons? in my op i said that i bet cause "my hand is really weak and will be outdrawn really often"
Which means that i want to make villain fold a hand that shouldn't fold.
And in case that he flats with draws i'm ahead (not by a long% but still ahead).

What? I'm trying to tell you your reasons for betting are incorrect. Those aren't logical reasons for betting.

So what you should have said is that you are turning your hand into a bluff not "I want to make villain fold a hand that shouldn't fold."

If you want to take offense to it go ahead but ask anyone who is somewhat competent in tournament theory and that's exactly what they will tell you

Here. Read this

That should clear up any kind of confusion on the issue

Making a villain fold a hand that he shouldn't fold = bluff

just saying

bet flop, smaller ott.
River - villain dependent.

Flop bet is for VALUE. Turn one as well.