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Old 06-14-2012, 04:12 PM   #46
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Re: Lagging with TJo vs a tight reg

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Not trying to overstate but in general at low stakes use Occams Razor. The more you (or anyone) over thinks and over discusses they will find rationales to talk themselves into a call.
yes it's easy to get carried away. But in my defense on an earlier hand one guy did flat my 3bet oop (I had A7o) and c/shoved a 30bb stack with 44 on a 2h3s7h flop
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:20 PM   #47
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50BB is hardly an impressive stack. It's not about tournament life it's about intimidating the table and running the show. far easier to do with 100+BB than with 50 BB.
r u for real?

there is rly not a significant difference between a 50bbs stack and a 100bs stack. you can make the same moves, you can run over the table, and you can quickly make more chips. especially when the blinds are this low.



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calling that large of a raise to c/f turn is a horrible idea imo.
it usually would be, except that if you're folding this hand to a raise in such a dry flop, that's gotta be one of the most exploitable plays in poker. since I feel like villain prolly gives up on the turn if he's bluffing, and if he bets again I can safely fold, without losing a significant part of my stack.

btw, this would not be a spazz. you mentioned this is a TAG reg. this would be a very profitable raise with air.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:21 PM   #48
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r u for real?
nope, just a figment of your imagination.


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it usually would be, except that if you're folding this hand to a raise in such a dry flop, that's gotta be one of the most exploitable plays in poker.
since i'm b/f a ton of flops it's not exploitable, he does not know I folded top pair. if they start to try exploiting it I will exploit them back. so nuff with this exploitable nonsense.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:28 PM   #49
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Don't know the buy in but I imagine playing exploitable simplistic value oriented poker should be hugely +EV. There are just not enough players who will actually exploit you in these spots and we should be able to recognize and adjust to the fraction who may try.

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Old 06-14-2012, 04:31 PM   #50
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since i'm b/f a ton of flops it's not exploitable, he does not know I folded top pair. if they start to try exploiting it I will exploit them back. so nuff with this exploitable nonsense.
exploitable nonsense? he doesn't know you folded TP, but if you are folding this, how much would you say % wise of you're range you're folding here? so play for long enough with thinking player, and they will realize that raising any2 on that spot is a profitable play. but the thing is a lot of regs already realize that. so cbetting your TP and folding to a raise becomes a leak.in a flop like this, with the image you mentioned, you could check/call if you wanted to manage the size of the pot. but b/folding is exploitable. it's like folding K6s on a to a c/r or a raise on a K84r flop.
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omg . unreal.
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omg . unreal.
why don't you show me where I was wrong, then?
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Re: Lagging with TJo vs a tight reg

I just don't think it can be explained any more clearly than SS or I have explained it.
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Don't know the buy in but I imagine playing exploitable simplistic value oriented poker should be hugely +EV. There are just not enough players who will actually exploit you in these spots and we should be able to recognize and adjust to the fraction who may try.

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Exactly this I was looking for !

Not enough of your opponents are paying attention/wise/hard-working enough to exploit you at this level. This is not a 100+ tournament. You should not think about being exploited this soon. We are talking about a small stakes tournament regular not Phil Ivey and I think that's what is counting here.
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I just don't think it can be explained any more clearly than SS or I have explained it.
yes, you have explained it. and I'm still saying it's exploitable. here's the reasoning:

you've been raising 32% of your hands. from MP, I tried this range:

22+,A8s+,A5s-A2s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,A9o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+

that's 25.2% of your hands. if you're only calling with JJ+ AJo, AJs, 33, you're folding 85% of your range. that means 85% of the time V raises you here you're folding and letting him take 2452 for free..

that's a highly exploitable play. which is why I said, if you wanna manage the size of the pot, c/c and give him a chance to bet his bluffs as well. with your image, b/fing here is awful imo.
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Exactly this I was looking for !

Not enough of your opponents are paying attention/wise/hard-working enough to exploit you at this level. This is not a 100+ tournament. You should not think about being exploited this soon. We are talking about a small stakes tournament regular not Phil Ivey and I think that's what is counting here.
ofc the vast majority of them aren't paying attention to this sort of thing. but OP mentioned that V is prolly a grinder reg. he's much more likely to try something like this than a random player. against any random in SS, just play ABC and you'll be fine.
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Re: Lagging with TJo vs a tight reg

just to complete my math, granted that your opponent will call with the range I assigned you, which is pretty much what you would call with given your posts itt, raising any2 and risking 2800 chips to win 2452 will show an instant profit of over 1600 chips. that's the definition of highly exploitable.
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raising any2 and risking 2800 chips to win 2452 will show an instant profit of over 1600 chips.
not if he does it twice. I make most of my money from players trying to exploit me. DUCY
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not if he does it twice. I make most of my money from players trying to exploit me. DUCY
oh yeah, I'm sure you're a master of game flow, and that you would figure out how to play back at him by the second time he tried it, even though you are out of position and he could have pretty much anything in his range (good luck if you're thinking of spew/shoving), but I'm still saying you're losing here.
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oh yeah, I'm sure you're a master of game flow, and that you would figure out how to play back at him by the second time he tried it, even though you are out of position and he could have pretty much anything in his range (good luck if you're thinking of spew/shoving), but I'm still saying you're losing here.
Ok fine. let me lose and stop bugging me.

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