henky, man, you can correct me but please don't just say "not this ever plz nb" in such a condescending manner. Explain your thought process. Look at my post count, I'm learning and I can be wrong, I would be glad that you take your time to explain to me what's wrong with my thought process.
Finally, I'm french and english is my third language, don't feel offended by some weird syntax or word usage. I always feel like I'm speaking in such an uptight way in english. Horrible image was not supposed to be that strong I suppose haha and actually having this image pays off a lot.

What I wanted to say by him having two pair is that I don't see him raising light on a paired board like that since he's got a tight image. I feel like his only raises making sense because of the context come from higher pair than the J on the board or the trey.

Finally, I also think that : "This hand is a perfect example of a high variance close spot in which I already have a large stack.". I would love to keep my high stack to hammer the table with and, even if that's not applying to despe here, keep a not so bad image

yes this is what I'm learning more and more.

like I knew shoving was bad but I just didn't think I can call and I was confused as his raise was too big to be a J. felt like a smaller pair that thought I had overs and didn't want me to continue or I don't know. I just didn't put QQ+ in his range but now I know. people seem to flat these more vs me when I lag. Which imo is sad because I also adjust my 4 betting ranges

I would have bet 450-600 on the flop to induce calls from more pocket pairs and widen his raising range to include more bluffs. As played I'd fold based on the information given; by calling you catch a handful of bluffs and the rest of the time you're getting value towned. Plus a lot of his bluffs have decent equity to improve on the turn or river.

given that OP said he was playing and winning a lot of pots I would just stick to his standard C bet size. No reason to play that much different just because we catch a middling piece of the flop.

agree very much with the second part and I have said fold all along

I think our hand is good enough for one street of value for sure and it may be worth more in the future. So the reason I want to bet smaller now is on ugly turn or river cards we can just give up, and on better cards we can make another smallish bet. If half pot is our standard cbet we can do that, but I think we have more and better options available by betting smaller. I don't think we have reason to believe our opponent is smart enough to understand how we're manipulating the pot size according to our hand strength, either.

ok, fair enough. you are right. I'm sry if I sounded like I was being condescending. it wasn't my intention.

about the 2 pair comment, all I meant was that we also have 2 pair. your sentence didn't rly make much sense. also, you said that part of his value range was KJ+. if you believe that, how could you say that a T wouldn't help us at all?

about the hand, you can go back and read my posts again. I never said you should double him up in this spot. ever. I just think folding to a raise here could be exploitable, since it's so easy to miss this flop that any decent opponent could raise you smallish on the flop and take it down without much trouble, especially in position. shoving here is also bad, because he will never call you behind. so, my first reaction would be to call and give up on the turn unless I improve, since I feel that after calling a flop raise on such a dry flop my opponent will most likely give up on the turn if he was bluffing.

about your last comment, I already said this, but just to be clear: even in the worst case scenario (you double him up) you would still have 50bbs when the next blind level comes, so you would hardly be risking your tournament life. blinds are still small, and you would still have a healthy stack, more than enough to still play comfortably. and that's the worst case scenario. in my scenario, you lose 2k, which is less than 10% of your stack. so imo this is not a very good justification for a fold.

with my image im definitely getting alot of calls with worse at that sizing. 0.5 pot on that texture is std and so there is no reason to bet less and lose value.


50BB is hardly an impressive stack. It's not about tournament life it's about intimidating the table and running the show. far easier to do with 100+BB than with 50 BB.

calling that large of a raise to c/f turn is a horrible idea imo.

You wouldn't be losing value; you'd be manipulating the way the value flows into the pot.

I mean I can see doing that with AJ. generally I don't like changing my betsizing based on hand strength and only go by texture. But with TJ I think I'm going to level myself into getting vtowned too often. I also think this would work better vs a spazz but this villain has done nothing to suggest he's a spazz.

True that...one street value lines are not always optimal...

If that's the case it seems the flop is an even easier fold. He is just not taking that line and sizing with a worst value hand enough.

yes ss, I know, I know

Totally right on this one. I wrote it too fast and it wasn't the more concise I wrote ever.
I thought his range was way more weighted towards bigger pairs so I prefered to discount the T.

It's truly making sense and I agree with you, it can be exploitable. Because of him playing back for the first time BvB I give him more credit towards a genuine crushing hand. Calling is perhaps/surely the most efficient play against such an opponent. But in this spot it's looking to me as a high variance spot because as ssync said, people would rarely play back at you light even if you are a LAG plus his non-spazz image, so I won't continue further.

About your last paragraph we will have 50 blinds left but I prefer to cut my losses as soon as possible here because of my reading.
It's no small loss we are talking about, it's about 40% of my actual stack, I would not risk that with TP and a medium kicker whereas I can keep my stack and play Thor on the whole table. I might be exploitable on this exact spot but I think the equity earned by using this amount equilibrates my play.
The fact that the blinds are still low means that I can have much more fun earning money on a lot of small spots since despe's apparent style.

I'm stealing this expression!!

Not trying to overstate but in general at low stakes use Occams Razor. The more you (or anyone) over thinks and over discusses they will find rationales to talk themselves into a call.